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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Ok, what elite scorers in today's game aren't threats in the midrange? Not necessarily high volume, but they are capable and willing to take midrange shots if they are given them?

Zion is the only one that comes to mind and he can't even sustain his style of play as is
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Looks up basketball reference... sorts scoring by minute...

Giannis Antetokounmpo...

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Giannis takes midrange shots

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Cam will be able to take midrange shots at a below average nba level. Its not like he is incapable of it. Ant Edwards is another dude who takes like 20-25% of his shots in the midrange and every time he does the defense rejoices.
 
If you are drafting Cam to score 25+ ppg you are likely going to be disappointed. I think he can get to 20 ppg without much in the midrange and be a great two way player. That should be the appeal with him. If he does more then awesome.
 
Even with the 28th pick, there's still going to be a lot of good players available. I prefer to trade it and to move up with 16 or just trade it for a 2024 1st rd pick. But if the Jazz decides to keep it, there are good players to use it on.

Players that I like are GG, Brandin Podz (might be gone by then), OMP, Amari Bailey, Bobi Klintman (might be gone by then), Jaime Jaquez, Jalen Wilson, Julian Strawther, Emoni Bates, Sidy Cissoko, Ben Sheppard (I have a feeling it'll be him at 28 if Jazz keep the pick), Trayce Jackson-Davis, Marcus Sasser and more. There's a high chance 28th will be traded due to a lot good players still available by then and teams will be willing to give up future 1st for it.
 
stormkoopacv03 said:
Even with the 28th pick, there's still going to be a lot of good players available. I prefer to trade it and to move up with 16 or just trade it for a 2024 1st rd pick. But if the Jazz decides to keep it, there are good players to use it on.

Players that I like are GG, Brandin Podz (might be gone by then), OMP, Amari Bailey, Bobi Klintman (might be gone by then), Jaime Jaquez, Jalen Wilson, Julian Strawther, Emoni Bates, Sidy Cissoko, Ben Sheppard (I have a feeling it'll be him at 28 if Jazz keep the pick), Trayce Jackson-Davis, Marcus Sasser and more. There's a high chance 28th will be traded due to a lot good players still available by then and teams will be willing to give up future 1st for it.
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I really like a bunch of the dudes projected in/after that range. Sidy Cissoko is the one with zero buzz that could all of a sudden be there. Jaime Jaquez, Colby Jones, hell even GG at 28 is something I could get behind. Max Lewis, Noah Clowney, and Sensabaugh all have an outside shot at being there.
 
Elizah Huge said:
You are being facetious.
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Not really. i mean 3-5 shots a game according to your data, and no one makes 100% of those shots right?, so lets say they shoot 50% on those 3-5 shots so they make like 2 of them which equals 4 points per game. Then lets say you are a poor mid range shooter (cam) but you still take 3-5 mid range shots. Since you aren't as good at them you only make 1 of them for 2 points per game.

Im just not seeing that as a huge deal according to the data you provided. Would what I typed be wrong?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If you are drafting Cam to score 25+ ppg you are likely going to be disappointed. I think he can get to 20 ppg without much in the midrange and be a great two way player. That should be the appeal with him. If he does more then awesome.
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Also, he is 18 years old and being compared to all stars in the nba lol. Im not sure that every all star in the nba was a great mid range shooter in college but if i had to guess i would say not all of them were and some might have even improved as they aged.
 
fishonjazz said:
Not really. i mean 3-5 shots a game according to your data, and no one makes 100% of those shots right?, so lets say they shoot 50% on those 3-5 shots so they make like 2 of them which equals 4 points per game. Then lets say you are a poor mid range shooter (cam) but you still take 3-5 mid range shots. Since you aren't as good at them you only make 1 of them for 2 points per game.

Im just not seeing that as a huge deal according to the data you provided. Would what I typed be wrong?
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Come on dude. Every elite scorer in the league is scoring at minimum 6-8 PPG from mid-range. Having that in your repertoire opens up your game in many other ways.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Just want to point out 20 PPG is the new 15 PPG.
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I would be interested on the data with that. I think its obvious teams are scoring more but if feels like its because more players on each team are scoring more but not because individuals are scoring a higher amount.
Like i think jordan averaged like 36 or 37 points per game and quite a few others back then averaged over 30. Averaging over 30 seems to happen less often in todays game to me but there are less ball hogs.
 
fishonjazz said:
Also, he is 18 years old and being compared to all stars in the nba lol. Im not sure that every all star in the nba was a great mid range shooter in college but if i had to guess i would say not all of them were and some might have even improved as they aged.
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There you go being facetious again. The problem is he’s not a very good three-point shooter or mid-range shooter. The way you and others talk about him is why we are having this conversation to begin with.
 
fishonjazz said:
I would be interested on the data with that. I think its obvious teams are scoring more but if feels like its because more players on each team are scoring more but not because individuals are scoring a higher amount.
Like i think jordan averaged like 36 or 37 points per game and quite a few others back then averaged over 30. Averaging over 30 seems to happen less often in todays game to me but there are less ball hogs.
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43 players averaged 20 PPG this season compared to 19 players just 10 years ago.

There is a total of 6 more possessions per game for each team from 10 years ago as well.
 
For an idea of OTE competition. Cameron Boozer (who was 15 at the time) put 28 and 20 on the YNG Dreamerz (the team the Thompson's played in the OTE final) and Boozer's high school team blew them out. they were up by 25 at one time - again this is the best or at least second best team in the league. Amen had 11, 7 and 5 on 3-8 FGs and 1-6 3pt in the 2nd title game against that same team - he was 20 at the time. I get that Cam Boozer is the second best prospect his age, but he was 15. The Thompson's are 20. Amen averaged 16 and 6. Boozer played one game at age 15, his hs team dominated them and he had 28 and 20. that league is straight trash and Amen is out there getting 16 and 6 per night being older than everybody else on the floor.
 
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seattlejazzfan said:
For an idea of OTE competition. Cameron Boozer (who was 15 at the time) put 28 and 20 on the YNG Dreamerz (the team the Thompson's played in the OTE final) and Boozer's high school team blew them out. they were up by 25 at one time - again this is the best or at least second best team in the league. Amen had 11, 7 and 5 on 3-8 FGs and 1-6 3pt in the title game against that same team - he was 20 at the time. I get that Cam Boozer is the second best prospect his age, but he was 15. The Thompson's are 20. Amen averaged 16 and 6. Boozer played one game at age 15, his hs team dominated them and he had 28 and 20. that league is straight trash and Amen is out there getting 16 and 6 per night being older than everybody else on the floor.
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seattlejazzfan said:
For an idea of OTE competition. Cameron Boozer (who was 15 at the time) put 28 and 20 on the YNG Dreamerz (the team the Thompson's played in the OTE final) and Boozer's high school team blew them out. they were up by 25 at one time - again this is the best or at least second best team in the league. Amen had 11, 7 and 5 on 3-8 FGs and 1-6 3pt in the title game against that same team - he was 20 at the time. I get that Cam Boozer is the second best prospect his age, but he was 15. The Thompson's are 20. Amen averaged 16 and 6. Boozer played one game at age 15, his hs team dominated them and he had 28 and 20. that league is straight trash and Amen is out there getting 16 and 6 per night being older than everybody else on the floor.
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They were 19 when they played that game. I get that it doesnt change your point all that much, but you should get the ages right if you are trying to make a point.
 
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