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KqWIN said:
Cam’s playmaking/feel+tunnel vision is a real concern….but this mid range stuff…Honestly I don’t really care. He took 30 mid range shots total last year which is nothing. It’s not the same worry as a low amount of shots at the rim or from 3 because you don’t want him to take mid range shots.

His mid range game, or lack thereof, is a positive indicator for me because it means he’s able to get to the basket or extend to the 3 point line. If he couldn’t shoot 3’s at all that would be one thing, but he’s shown potential to take/make the more difficult shots which gives me belief he could hit mid range shots if he has to.

I’ve talked about how Dick’s shooting is crazy above the break and terrible from the corners. Given that the corner is the easier shot I’m not really concerned about that at the next level. If it were the other way around it might raise an eyebrow, but like Dick, Cam is on the right side of the equation.

I wouldn’t want it the other way around where he couldn’t get to the basket and/or pull-up from 3.
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Wait… what? How is a lack of mid-range game a positive indicator? You were the one saying people were making excuses for guys but that might be the best one yet. Bravo.

Did you miss the part where he is terrible off the dribble too?
 
Elizah Huge said:
Wait… what? How is a lack of mid-range game a positive indicator? You were the one saying people were making excuses for guys but that might be the best one yet. Bravo.

Did you miss the part where he is terrible off the dribble too?
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Shot distribution is zero sum. If he’s not shooting mid range shots it means he’s getting to the rim or shooting 3’s. I like guys who get to the rim and shoot a lot of 3’s.

It’s not an excuse that’s just basic math lol. I much prefer a player who can get efficient shots rather than player who has to rely on non efficient shots.
 
KqWIN said:
Shot distribution is zero sum. If he’s not shooting mid range shots it means he’s getting to the rim or shooting 3’s. I like guys who get to the rim and shoot a lot of 3’s.

It’s not an excuse that’s just basic math lol. I much prefer a player who can get efficient shots rather than player who has to rely on non efficient shots.
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He wasn’t good from 3 though. It’s not like he was some elite 3-point shooter. A mid-range shot is more efficient than a 3. What are you even saying lmao?
 
Every elite scorer I just looked at shot significantly better from mid-range than 3. How is that a more efficient shot?
 
Elizah Huge said:
He wasn’t good from 3 though. It’s not like he was some elite 3-point shooter. A mid-range shot is more efficient than a 3. What are you even saying lmao?
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3’s are more efficient than mid range shots. Welcome to the 21st century.

Cam gets 88% of his shots from the rim or from the 3. That’s great, I love that. The only way that’s possible is if 12% of his shots come from the mid range. If you like the 88% you must also like the 12% that’s the only way this works.
 
i kind of hate bad mouthing cam whitmore because he has been my guy (along with b miller) since last spring - and i still want him to succeed perhaps more than anybody, but he is definitely getting the look good in an empty gym pre-draft bump. so big, so powerful, so explosive, so athletic - but put him in 5 on 5, the many warts rear their ugly head. but dude is so young, has so much upside - you are banking on marked improvements from him in terms of playing real basketball.
 
KqWIN said:
3’s are more efficient than mid range shots. Welcome to the 21st century.

Cam gets 88% of his shots from the rim or from the 3. That’s great, I love that. The only way that’s possible is if 12% of his shots come from the mid range. If you like the 88% you must also like the 12% that’s the only way this works.
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yep, despite unimpressive 3 point shooting numbers, mid-range, etc - his TS of 57% is pretty good. shows he's taking efficient shots, especially when you consider he really didn't get to the line all that often (which, tbh, is a bit of a problem for a guy of his physical profile).
 
seattlejazzfan said:
i kind of hate bad mouthing cam whitmore because he has been my guy (along with b miller) since last spring - and i still want him to succeed perhaps more than anybody, but he is definitely getting the look good in an empty gym pre-draft bump. so big, so powerful, so explosive, so athletic - but put him in 5 on 5, the many warts rear their ugly head. but dude is so young, has so much upside - you are banking on marked improvements from him in terms of playing real basketball.
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Yeah, the real question in him is the playmaking/feel. Can’t test that in an empty gym….but maybe he does well when watching film?

He’s flawed but I like him. Not super sold on the other guys we could trade up for.
 
I just think a mid-range game is just indicative of skill and potential. If you are complete *** in the mid-range, it can show a lack of feel and I think that's teh case for Cam.

Now you can make the argument that being a hyper athletic bowling ball, Cam hasnt' had the need to develop this kind of feel and it will eventually happen w/ good coaching at the NBA level, and that's a fine bet to make with someone who has his tools, but it's an archetype that has produced many a bust in the top 10.
 
KqWIN said:
3’s are more efficient than mid range shots. Welcome to the 21st century.

Cam gets 88% of his shots from the rim or from the 3. That’s great, I love that. The only way that’s possible is if 12% of his shots come from the mid range. If you like the 88% you must also like the 12% that’s the only way this works.
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I don’t think efficient is the right word for that which is why I was confused. It’s the smarter shot.
 
Also there is a wide variety of shot types and shot quality in the mid-range and they all get lumped in together when the mid-range haters show their faces about how players shouldnt be shooting them.
 
The only reason I really care about mid range shooting on a prospect is because the percentage they make there can be a positive indicator they are a good shooter overall. So someone like Cason who shoots well in the midrange may have shot below his 3pt potential in the small college sample size.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The only reason I really care about mid range shooting on a prospect is because the percentage they make there can be a positive indicator they are a good shooter overall. So someone like Cason who shoots well in the midrange may have shot below his 3pt potential in the small college sample size.
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just like young Bull did ?
 
Elizah Huge said:
Come on dude. Every elite scorer in the league is scoring at minimum 6-8 PPG from mid-range. Having that in your repertoire opens up your game in many other ways.
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I think it’s mostly the opposite. Being a major paint and shooting threat opens up the mid-range to be something the defense sacrifices. But sure, when teams start really keying on guys in the mid-range it opens up other possibilities on the floor.

Nobody is saying the mid-range doesn’t have a place. It’s key at the highest levels. We are not close to that level currently, and we’re most certainly not drafting a player where our chief concern is if they’re a playoffs ready star in year one.
 
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