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2024-25 Trade Rumors Thread

NUMBERICA said:
If they are committed to throwing games at the coaching level (and there isn’t some insane offer out there), then, correct, there is no reason to trade Kessler. It’s a long season though, and trading him remains the simplest way to ensure losses since he’s the keystone to the defense.
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Nah you don’t need to trade Kessler to tank. Hes a guy far more valuable to a team that is winning with a more complete roster
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The Cody pick is a pretty big indictment on his record, especially given the talk that Cody would have been in the mix if they landed a top 5 pick.
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Well the biggest black mark is I was telling people that he wasn’t that good. I even had a mini debate with T Jones about it. He tried to tell me he could dribble and shoot and I disagreed with him. Said I didn’t see much skill or exploration in his game, and that he could only shoot in spot up situations and he can’t even do that. And Danny still would’ve taken him top 5
 
NUMBERICA said:
Yeah, if the coach is in on the plan. If Hardy coaches to win we will not be a bottom-3 team. He appears willing to play ball at this point/for now.
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Even if Coach wasn’t in on a tank, you need guys that can score and run an offensive system at pg or any willing passer, and Lauri isn’t scoring for whatever reason.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
I mean, hopefully, but the Jazz are 29th in defense this year after being 30th in defense last year.

I would guess most of that is on Keyonte, Sexton, and Hardy, but still.
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Yeah. Kessler is two things: rim protector and alley-oop dunker. He literally does nothing else.

On defense, he still can't switch, close people out or guard anywhere near the perimeter. He also plays way too passively in the drop because his one and only comfort zone is right under the basket.

The less said about his offense, the better.

As a pure rim protector / shot changer Kessler is obviously great, but I think he's playing near his ceiling and overall is a very flawed player. He should be a bench center in this league.

I used to be against trading Walker, but the whole roster is such a clown show now that it's probably better to go scorched earth. Lauri should absolutely be gone in the offseason too.
 
I won't trade Walter. He can be useful once we are good again ( when?) as he is young. Trade Sexton, Collins, JC if we can. We are bottom 3-4 anyway with all those guys.
 
Obviously a few on that list pop like Jalen Brunson and arguably Draymond Green. But amI would rather have 2 years with Collins than at least 8 of those players given the length of their contracts and performance.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
Clarkson is completely untradeable.

Sexton can probably get 2-3 seconds.

Collins would take attaching 2-3 seconds to dump.
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That Collins value assessment is like straight from 2023.

He is bullying Lauri on the advanced stats, and however much you would want to put that on Lauri playing poorly this year, its also quite obvious to anyone watching the games that Collins has evolved his game and improved a lot as a player. The finger injury that once destroyed his value is also 100% history.

Tobias Harris got paid the same AAV that John Collins makes, and hasnt played as well in years as John has this season.
 
To expand/justify on my previous post and show some of the advanced stats where John beats Lauri this year:

StatJohn CollinsLauri Markkanen
TS%63.9%60.3%
PPP (isolation)1.29 (3rd best in NBA)0.77
Offensive on/off+10.8 (95th percentile)+1.5 (61st percentile)
Defensive on/off-3.0 (71st percentile)+0.5 (46th percentile)
BPM2.41.0
VORP0.70.4
PIE14.111.9
PER21.2117.35
NetRTG-3.7 (best of all Jazz main rotation guys)-8.6

Some of those non team-dependant numbers are flat out awesome (TS% for his shot selection, isolation PPP, PER).... so its not only about Lauri numbers being way below what he has put up last two years.
 
HermanG said:
To expand/justify on my previous post and show some of the advanced stats where John beats Lauri this year:

StatJohn CollinsLauri Markkanen
TS%63.9%60.3%
PPP (isolation)1.29 (3rd best in NBA)0.77
Offensive on/off+10.8 (95th percentile)+1.5 (61st percentile)
Defensive on/off-3.0 (71st percentile)+0.5 (46th percentile)
BPM2.41.0
VORP0.70.4
PIE14.111.9
PER21.2117.35
NetRTG-3.7 (best of all Jazz main rotation guys)-8.6

Some of those non team-dependant numbers are flat out awesome (TS% for his shot selection, isolation PPP, PER).... so its not only about Lauri numbers being way below what he has put up last two years.
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Might as well shut Lauri down for the year
 
HermanG said:
That Collins value assessment is like straight from 2023.

He is bullying Lauri on the advanced stats, and however much you would want to put that on Lauri playing poorly this year, its also quite obvious to anyone watching the games that Collins has evolved his game and improved a lot as a player. The finger injury that once destroyed his value is also 100% history.

Tobias Harris got paid the same AAV that John Collins makes, and hasnt played as well in years as John has this season.
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I mean, Lauri just hasn't been good this year.

The issue with Collins is that any team that gets him is immediately not very good on defense as he's just way too small to play center. I can't think of a team trying to win that has the contracts to get Collins and where Collins would be a good fit.
 
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