2024-25 Trade Rumors Thread

[jazznik]

Is Knecht a better prospect than Sensabaugh?

Obviously very different team contexts, and Brice is 2.5 years younger, but:

That's a very big "and".

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Is Knecht a better prospect than Sensabaugh?

Obviously very different team contexts, and Brice is 2.5 years younger, but:

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I know Knecht defense has been an issue as expected, but I still believe he has a better path to being a good defender given his athleticism, so I would probably give the edge to Knecht.

I would say overall Brice has more talent but he does seem like he will be more of a ball stopper vs Knecht who will be more of a motion shooter/quick decision maker.

 

[idiot]

I know Knecht defense has been an issue as expected, but I still believe he has a better path to being a good defender given his athleticism, so I would probably give the edge to Knecht.

I would say overall Brice has more talent but he does seem like he will be more of a ball stopper vs Knecht who will be more of a motion shooter/quick decision maker.

Yeah, the turnovers/lack of ease in really fitting in a system aren't doing Brice any favors now (though he's seemed to have made a lot of progress even during the season), but I think the comparison is a lot closer than many would think.

 

[NUMBERICA]

They are a destination BUT they wandered in the wilderness for a long time before Lebron blessed them and FA is different now with the extensions. Almost have to trade for the star and if they don't have stuff to trade...

I would bet those picks would be pretty decent or looked at as having good value in a trade down the line. It is a lot to give up.

Also, players have been much more keen to take the money from incumbent teams on extensions (because they get more and lock in security), such that 2019 is the last year that max players jumped ship from their incumbent team in free agency. If LA kinda doesn’t have that anymore and they’re relying on building through trade (bearing in mind this is how they got AD), I’m not sure how great LA as a lure really is if they don’t have the requisite market capital (picks) to make those moves.

But that’s exactly why getting Kessler and Sexton makes some sense for them. They’re good enough to be trade pieces on their own and could extend their window, or at least prevent them from completely bottoming out (though that is in question, which is why it makes sense for the Jazz).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Talking to teams this week, a theme emerged that the Jimmy Butler situation is holding up the trade market some.

One assistant GM told me that his team has a deal basically done, but the other team could be in a four- or five-team Butler trade. So, they have to hold for now. That's slowed things.

Cy Charania!

Yeah I would guess a lot of the deals that are likely to get done are 75-80% there just everyone has to see how the board sets up. Jimmy deal is so complex it will have to have 4 teams at least... maybe 5 if Beal is in the deal too. Normally 90%+ of the trades are done in the last 48 hours. It just seemed like Phoenix might only do the Jazz deal if they already had the other stuff locked down.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

All of this just leads me to saying that it won't happen. If that's your asking price...ok then the result is that it won't happen and that's fine. I feel like some try to speak things into existence but it doesn't really work that way.

Something in between, like Knecht+one unprotected is in between seems to be where the line of scrimmage is at....but we don't really know if it's LAL or UTA who is hesitant. Knecht+one unprotected easily clears/satisfies what the previous "high" asking prices were reported to be whether that be "two first round picks" or a "young prospect plus pick".

I don't really value Knecht that much, so I'm personally keeping Walker if that offer is on the table. I think there's a decent chance the Jazz accept that offer if it was presented to them, however. We know Ainge is rigid and asks for a lot, but the last time he accepted a deal with the Lakers it was less than half of what people around here were hoping for.

1 unprotected pick and Knecht is an easy pass for me if that's what you think is high. That deal might hurt the other pick we own enough to pass (something no other team would really have to consider).

The really consistent messaging has been that Walker isn't available and I believe it for the most part. But then again Ochai was once untouchable.

 

[underdog]

Cy Charania!

Yeah I would guess a lot of the deals that are likely to get done are 75-80% there just everyone has to see how the board sets up. Jimmy deal is so complex it will have to have 4 teams at least... maybe 5 if Beal is in the deal too. Normally 90%+ of the trades are done in the last 48 hours. It just seemed like Phoenix might only do the Jazz deal if they already had the other stuff locked down.

Yeah, you would think they want to get this thing done as soon as possible.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah, will be interesting to see where he ends up. You would think they want to get this thing done as soon as possible.

Riley lost his fastball tbh. I would have just taken Beal and the 2031 Suns pick for the Heat and moved on. He thinks he will get a FA in a couple years and FA has changed. Wanting Middleton/Portis and a worse pick over just taking Beal and getting a good pick is weird to me. I understand there is some duplication with Beal and Herro but if they don't make the playoffs this year they will give up unprotected picks in 2026 and 2028 as a result. So they just need to get focused.

The Rozier trade was tragic.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Cy Charania!

Yeah I would guess a lot of the deals that are likely to get done are 75-80% there just everyone has to see how the board sets up. Jimmy deal is so complex it will have to have 4 teams at least... maybe 5 if Beal is in the deal too. Normally 90%+ of the trades are done in the last 48 hours. It just seemed like Phoenix might only do the Jazz deal if they already had the other stuff locked down.

It was a Bluesky tweet from Brian Smith. It just lets you copy the text for some reason and not post the tweet.

 

[NAOS_pt2]

It was a Bluesky tweet from Brian Smith. It just lets you copy the text for some reason and not post the tweet.

you could still type out your source. Misattribution of sources is ******.

 

[KqWIN]

1 unprotected pick and Knecht is an easy pass for me if that's what you think is high. That deal might hurt the other pick we own enough to pass (something no other team would really have to consider).

The really consistent messaging has been that Walker isn't available and I believe it for the most part. But then again Ochai was once untouchable.

It's consistent with what the asking price has been reported to be, and the reporting has also stated that it's been high. So yes, that's what I would consider to be high based on the reporting. I think two unprotected Laker picks far exceeds anything that's been reported and is quite rich for Walker. If the Lakers are putting both of those on the table I'd expect a bigger name than Kessler for sure.

And just to be clear, I'm not saying I would take that deal. I have said the direct opposite and said I would pass....just saying that Knecht+one unprotected first absolutely fits the "high asking price" as has been reported. In fact, you could argue that it exceeds the reported asking price.

 

[underdog]

Riley lost his fastball tbh. I would have just taken Beal and the 2031 Suns pick for the Heat and moved on. He thinks he will get a FA in a couple years and FA has changed. Wanting Middleton/Portis and a worse pick over just taking Beal and getting a good pick is weird to me. I understand there is some duplication with Beal and Herro but if they don't make the playoffs this year they will give up unprotected picks in 2026 and 2028 as a result. So they just need to get focused.

The Rozier trade was tragic.

Yes. It looked like Riley initially thought he could keep him. But then Jimmy put on his Sun color shoes.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It's consistent with what the asking price has been reported to be, and the reporting has also stated that it's been high. So yes, that's what I would consider to be high based on the reporting. I think two unprotected Laker picks far exceeds anything that's been reported and is quite rich for Walker. If the Lakers are putting both of those on the table I'd expect a bigger name than Kessler for sure.

And just to be clear, I'm not saying I would take that deal. I have said the direct opposite and said I would pass....just saying that Knecht+one unprotected first absolutely fits the "high asking price" as has been reported. In fact, you could argue that it exceeds the reported asking price.

I guess I haven't seen much since the summer when they said they wanted two picks. Price would certainly be up now imo.

It isn't happening though so its just for ***** and giggles.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yes. It looked like Riley initially thought he could keep him. But then Jimmy put on his Sun color shoes.

He was never going to keep him. I think he thought he'd play the year out and be a good soldier. But he also unnecessarily dumped on him in a presser.

 

[KqWIN]

I guess I haven't seen much since the summer when they said they wanted two picks. Price would certainly be up now imo.

It isn't happening though so its just for ***** and giggles.

When people say "two firsts" I don't think anyone expects that to be two of the best first round picks available. It is somewhat vague and there's room for interpretation, but some would consider an unprotected Lakers pick better than the PHX pick. Personally, I think the Lakers pick is worth more and thus is more three bad firsts. In my mind, one unprotected Lakers pick clears the "two firsts" threshold as it is that premium. Then you're adding on Knecht, which again, up to the eye of the beholder but you don't have to have a super loose definition of "intriguing prospect" to include him.

The AI reporter guy who most of these rumors come from (or are aggregated to) mentioned that Knecht must be a part of the deal alongside draft capital. If that's true and the Jazz truly prioritize Knecht, I can't possibly see it being Knecht and more than one unprotected pick. Kessler has played great, I don't think he is approaching superstar trade package level.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

The easiest logistical trade for both teams is Kessler for Schofino and the 2029 unprotected PLUS removing the 2027 protections? It works on trade machine. We get a young player, helps us lose, and we essentially get peak value for the 2027 in addition to 1 really valuable 1st. I feel like that is lite for the Jazz.

The more complicated deal is that we offer:

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

Like it or hate it... we do the Lakers a ton of favors. Get them off their worst 3 contracts. They don't give up Knecht 4. We also give them 2 upgrades. In return, we own their picks for 3 years. I would think we would be able to get the 2027 protections removed as well for a haul like this for the Lakers.

 

[idiot]

Man, I just don't like this idea of getting rid of Kessler. Whoever we trade him to will have an in-prime Kessler for several years, likely driving down the value of the pick(s) coming back.

Especially when the "reward" is most likely a small chance of getting the #5 pick rather than the #6 pick this year.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Man, I just don't like this idea of getting rid of Kessler. Whoever we trade him to will have an in-prime Kessler for several years, likely driving down the value of the pick(s) coming back.

Especially when the "reward" is most likely a small chance of getting the #5 pick rather than the #6 pick this year.

With regard to draft odds... I think it would be more about next year than this year. The tank has us pretty dialed in and the trade deadline should finish us off. Next year may be even more shameless than this tank year league wide.

I think there is like a 1% chance at a Walker move. He's one of the last guys we are likely shopping.

 

[idiot]

With regard to draft odds... I think it would be more about next year than this year. The tank has us pretty dialed in and the trade deadline should finish us off. Next year may be even more shameless than this tank year league wide.

I think there is like a 1% chance at a Walker move. He's one of the last guys we are likely shopping.

Even with next year in mind, that's just probably not a bet I make. Walker's probably on pace to have a better career than 1/2 (maybe more) of the players in the top ten of drafts?