Nope but if they say it it’s tough to be pissy if people complain about no plan.
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The important thing when it comes to Flip is having reasonable expectations. The hope should be that he can carve out a role as solid bench big that can provide spacing and some scoring punch. If he exceeds that role then that is awesome but I think that should be the expectation. If he becomes that type of player then it's a rock solid pick at 32.
The problem is that we don't really know what an alternative universe would look like and what other opportunities we might have had had we gone full tank for example. Maybe we get even more/better picks for Conley, Ochai, Bogdanovic/KO, NAW, etc. or maybe not. The reports at the time(if I'm not mistaken) were that we could have had that Lakers pick if we wanted it in October... we just wanted more... and we didn't get it. Similar with other trades.
Lmfao y'all are unreal
Why? What's your objection? You only want to present one side of the argument and one set of incoming assets as if if we didn't do this and exactly this, we couldn't get anything close in value. This is a bunch of nonsense. Those players had value whether in July or in February. Why are you acting like if we traded them in July we would have only gotten what? A bunch of expirings/trade exceptions?
Because this has been gone over at length and you seem to want to re-litigate the past because it turns out the Jazz made the right moves and now all your incessant bitching about "no plan" looks ridiculous
Huh? I think it is pretty clear that we could have gotten at least similar value if we had made those same trades prior to both seasons rather than at mid-season. The big difference being that if we make the trades prior to the season we are probably looking at our own draft pick being closer to 5 than 10 the last few seasons.
No it doesn't look ridiculous. And I don't want to relitigate anything. This team has had no plan the last 2 years. Your GM(or whatever his official role is) told you that. We've been floaitng around the last 2 years. This doesn't mean every decision along the way is bad(for example, I obviously like a lot of those draft picks). But huge majority of those picks(or similar value had we done earlier deals) were there to be had pretty much no matter what we did. Right now this rebuild is being carried by those 2 initial deals. And lets not act like those prospects we have are even a sure thing. Yes some of them look promising... others haven't played a minute in the league yet. In 2 years all of those might look like complete busts... I seriously have no idea based on what exactly are you taking victory laps?
The process of full tanking quite literally hinges on luck more than any other strategy....
No you don't get it. If we tank all our players dissolve into thin air and you can't get anything for them. It's either LAL pick, Filipowski and Collier or NOTHING! Yes. You get nothing for Conley, Bogdanovic/KO, Ochai, Beasley, Vanderbilt, NAW... the 2 second round picks... those just disappear...
This whole board was convinced he was negative value and was discussing how we could possibly dump him without giving up assets. That run really changed the perception of him a lot
They wanted Bogdanovic and Vanderbilt more than Conley at the time. Come on. Lets not pretend like we weren't talking about how the Jazz are waiting for both Lakers picks and that's why the deal wasn't getting done... that is... in September/October(before we traded Bogdanovic for KO). You obviously wouldn't have gotten the exact same return for all those players had you done those trades earlier. But lets not pretend we couldn't have gotten comparable return.
We couldnt have. Plus Bogey was dealt for KO who was later dealt for the pick that became Collier.
Yes and if you trade Bogey to LAL instead of the 2 seconds + NAW+ Beasley maybe you get another deal. Come on. There are multiple pieces that are changing hands here and all of them had some value. Maybe you don't get Collier exactly. Maybe you get 2 other prospects instead. Need I remind people that Collier is no. 29 pick in a bad draft and he hasn't played a minute in the league yet? Yes I like that pick. Yes I think he has potential. But stop acting like Collier is a hit, while every other piece you could have had instead of him is nothing.
