2024 NBA Draft Reaction Thread

[NUMBERICA]

We really got posters who think we could have gotten the Lakers top 4 protected 2027 pick in the summer for Conley after he was coming off the worst post season performance of his career? Everyone thought Conley was washed. Just insane how much people forget.

The Lakers were never trading that pick for Conley (and they didn’t). The issue with Conley is that they traded him - and his superpower: leadership - to a team that desperately needed leadership and whose draft we own(ed). I digress.

The issue is they didn’t trade Bogey (or Olynyk), the Minnesota dudes, and Clarkson for that pick and THT. I seem to recall some reporting from @Tony Jones that suggested that an offer like that was on the table and the Jazz scoffed (likely wanting both ‘27 AND ‘29 picks).

My issue wasn’t really ever Conley, I didn’t think he could fetch much, and being instrumental in changing the Wolves from a tire-fire to a contender is… I want to say malfeasance but that’s too strong a word.

 

[KqWIN]

No you don't get it. If we tank all our players dissolve into thin air and you can't get anything for them. It's either LAL pick, Filipowski and Collier or NOTHING! Yes. You get nothing for Conley, Bogdanovic/KO, Ochai, Beasley, Vanderbilt, NAW... the 2 second round picks... those just disappear...

I don’t care to discuss all the hypotheticals because it’s an unending argument. To me it’s simple, the more you tank, the more future stuff you have. The more you try to win, the more win now stuff you have. Im sure that if you have DA either objective, he would accomplish those things. You tell him to be in the middle and he will get you something in the middle on both fronts.

I also don’t care to open up the “we should have tanked” convo. I’m just saying that we shouldn’t change our opinion on the process based on a hindsight 20/20 results based analysis. Had we had won a few more games, we would have gotten the #1 or #3 pick. But without the benefit of hindsight I think we can all agree that it was objectively better to have more lotto balls.

 

[fishonjazz]

Who was our guy that we missed out on?

We were getting Key regardless of how good or bad we tanked. Key was drafted 16 with the Twolves pick

He is saying that if we drafted scoot then maybe we don't draft keyonte.

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[fishonjazz]

That’s a different conversation. Nothing changes my opinion on the results based analysis. I prefer to be process oriented. I’m not going to judge the “half tank” on things that are up to complete luck.

I’m sure that if we had gone tankers paradise route we would also have things that were of value.

I wouldn't say getting the Lakers pick in a trade and the picks that ended up being flip Collier in trades qualifies as luck.


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[KqWIN]

I wouldn't say getting the Lakers pick in a trade and the picks that ended up being flip Collier in trades qualifies as luck.


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Neither did I.

 

[fishonjazz]

Neither did I.

Cy said that without the half tank we wouldn't have flip, Collier and Lakers 27 pick.

You responded with "I’m not going to judge the “half tank” on things that are up to complete luck."

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[KqWIN]

Cy said that without the half tank we wouldn't have flip, Collier and Lakers 27 pick.

You responded with "I’m not going to judge the “half tank” on things that are up to complete luck."

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The things that are up to complete luck are the lotto and who is drafted before us. Cy said we should change our opinion based on those things (getting Cody Williams).

The second point acknowledges the other stuff. I never said those things were luck, just that there's other stuff we would have had in a full tank scenario. Like @stitches said, the things we traded for those picks do not disappear into thin air. I do not care to discuss specific hypotheticals. I firmly believe that if the goal was to tank and acquire more future facing assets, DA would have been able to do it.

 

[fishonjazz]

The things that are up to complete luck are the lotto and who is drafted before us. Cy said we should change our opinion based on those things (getting Cody Williams).

The second point acknowledges the other stuff. I never said those things were luck, just that there's other stuff we would have had in a full tank scenario. Like @stitches said, the things we traded for those picks do not disappear into thin air. I do not care to discuss specific hypotheticals. I firmly believe that if the goal was to tank and acquire more future facing assets, DA would have been able to do it.

So if cy would have said without the half tank we wouldn't have gotten the Lakers pick and the #32 and #29 picks in this draft then your post wouldnt have mentioned luck? Lol

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[KqWIN]

So if cy would have said without the half tank we wouldn't have gotten the Lakers pick and the #32 and #29 picks in this draft then your post wouldnt have mentioned luck? Lol

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The luck is related to Cody Williams. That's what we were talking about and that's why luck was mentioned. If we were not talking about Cody Williams, I wouldn't have mentioned luck but that's what we were talking about.

He changed the topic to #29, #32 etc. I literally it was a different conversation in that exact post. If you can't understand that, it's not my problem.

 

[fishonjazz]

The luck is related to Cody Williams. That's what we were talking about and that's why luck was mentioned. If we were not talking about Cody Williams, I wouldn't have mentioned luck but that's what we were talking about.

He changed the topic to #29, #32 etc. I literally it was a different conversation in that exact post. If you can't understand that, it's not my problem.

Nope. He was talking about the half tank getting us those draft picks.

The half tank didn't get us those players. The half tank got us the picks. The picks got us the players.

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[KqWIN]

Nope. He was talking about the half tank getting us those draft picks.

The half tank didn't get us those players. The half tank got us the picks. The picks got us the players.

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You can't just decide what we were talking about. We were talking about Cody Williams, I said that was luck related. He changed the conversation to the other picks, I said that's a different conversation. Like I said, if you can't understand it's not my problem. It's all there, verbatim.

 

[HermanG]

Danny said there is no plan… it’s fair to criticize some of their issues. This up coming season and what it results in is probably the time to start giving some serious analysis… last two years has been really a weird transition period. Kinda letting the waves take us a bit… it’s time to start steering the ship a bit more.

Its fair to criticize some things of course, but we been listening guys whine how they have never been as disinterested and how FO has wasted the last two years.

That is not fair criticism when compared to results.

 

[sip]

The Lakers were never trading that pick for Conley (and they didn’t). The issue with Conley is that they traded him - and his superpower: leadership - to a team that desperately needed leadership. I digress.

The issue is they didn’t trade Bogey (or Olynyk), the Minnesota dudes, and Clarkson for that pick and THT. I seem to recall some reporting from @Tony Jones that suggested that an offer like that was on the table and the Jazz scoffed (likely wanting both ‘27 AND ‘29 picks).

My issue wasn’t really ever Conley, I didn’t think he could fetch much, and being instrumental in changing the Wolves from a tire-fire to a contender is… I want to say malfeasance but that’s too strong a word.

Yeah, if I remember correctly the talk was Bojan and Clarkson for an unprotected 1st but we were trying to squeeze out 2. Damn that would have been sweet to get that one 1st for Bojan and Clarkson.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Yeah, if I remember correctly the talk was Bojan and Clarkson for an unprotected 1st but we were trying to squeeze out 2. Damn that would have been sweet to get that one 1st for Bojan and Clarkson.

And Vanderbilt, Pat Bev, and Beasley (hindsight notwithstanding on the latter two).

 

[framer]

They definitely draft both

I don't think so, I think if the Jazz knew they could draft Key at 16 (I think they knew he would be there,) they would have went with someone else with the Scoot pick, maybe even Coulibaby.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I don't think so, I think if the Jazz knew they could draft Key at 16 (I think they knew he would be there,) they would have went with someone else with the Scoot pick, maybe even Coulibaby.

There's no way in hell the Jazz would know Keyonte would be there at 16 when the draft starts...


Maybe they had Bilal ranked over Scoot, but that's the reason they would not draft Scoot. Scoot/Keyonte fit together just fine.

 

[framer]

You can't just decide what we were talking about. We were talking about Cody Williams, I said that was luck related. He changed the conversation to the other picks, I said that's a different conversation. Like I said, if you can't understand it's not my problem. It's all there, verbatim.

I honestly believe that Danny has really good insight on where players are going to fall on the draft board, far better than our previous management did. He has shown it time and time again. His players may not always work out, but he generally gets the players that he wants and knows how much it would take to go and get them where they are available. It is pretty obvious that the Jazz could have moved up to get Williams and Collier but chose not to because they had intel that said they were going to be available at the pick. Same for Keyonte.

When players fell to Lindsey, it was likely luck. Danny is bending that luck just a little. I think he is WAY better plugged into what is going on throughout the league.

 

[Jaanipoeg]

I honestly believe that Danny has really good insight on where players are going to fall on the draft board, far better than our previous management did. He has shown it time and time again. His players may not always work out, but he generally gets the players that he wants and knows how much it would take to go and get them where they are available. It is pretty obvious that the Jazz could have moved up to get Williams and Collier but chose not to because they had intel that said they were going to be available at the pick. Same for Keyonte.

When players fell to Lindsey, it was likely luck. Danny is bending that luck just a little. I think he is WAY better plugged into what is going on throughout the league.

I think he can have hunches but there are far too many unknowns to ever be confident. There were reports that the Jazz considered George at #9. I think they can choose Hendricks because they think there is a better chance he's available at #16 but the Jazz were definitely not sure about that

 

[framer]

I think he can have hunches but there are far too many unknowns to ever be confident. There were reports that the Jazz considered George at #9. I think they can choose Hendricks because they think there is a better chance he's available at #16 but the Jazz were definitely not sure about that

Yeah, you can never be 100% sure, but there is card counting going on and the current FO seems pretty good at it. They definitely would have known the demand for a Doke and traded back if that was their guy. I don't see them trading a pick to New York and New York immediately flipping that pick for something better either. There was a reason DL only did deals with the same 3 teams, and now he is working for one of them.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I honestly believe that Danny has really good insight on where players are going to fall on the draft board, far better than our previous management did. He has shown it time and time again. His players may not always work out, but he generally gets the players that he wants and knows how much it would take to go and get them where they are available. It is pretty obvious that the Jazz could have moved up to get Williams and Collier but chose not to because they had intel that said they were going to be available at the pick. Same for Keyonte.

When players fell to Lindsey, it was likely luck. Danny is bending that luck just a little. I think he is WAY better plugged into what is going on throughout the league.

Zanick said that last year he got the first 9 picks right and that's extremely rare. They have an idea of who gets picked where based on real time out comes. They don't know what is going to happen before stuff starts happening