A success if Jefferson/Millsap/Harris/Watson turned into Pau/Iggy?

[idiot]

I know these possibilities have already been discussed individually, and I know the likelihood is quite small, but how you would feel if Jefferson/Watson/Millsap/Harris were turned into Iggy & Pau.

This unlikely scenario depends on several unknowns, of course:
Does drafting Harkless mean Sixers are truly ready to move on from Iggy?
Does the earlier rumor about Sixers interest in Jefferson/Watson still have legs?
Do the Sixers want cap flexibility in 2013?
Would Lakers value the combination of two solid veteran contributors at needed positions (PG/PF) along with a bit of 2012 cap relief and 2013 expirings over (to mention two other rumored options) the less complete version of those attributes they might get from either a Josh Smith or Derrick Williams package?

The scenario seems consistent with this week’s Jazz stockpiling of PGs and shooters. Of course it means we couldn't be FA players in 2013 or turn our vets into picks (though the latter seems harder now than we were imagining even a week ago). But I don't think the ability to re-sign the young 4 would be affected, would it, since both Pau and Iggy expire in 2014?

 

[Brown Notes]

I want no part of Pau Gasol's contract. Iggy yes.

 

[Former Member]

If we somehow made this happen, KOC would have a statue built in his honor. I don't think the Lakers trade Pau because they would want to much. After all, they are the Lakers and they are used to fleecing teams in trades.

 

[Former Member]

I want no part of Pau Gasol's contract. Iggy yes.

I think Pau Gasol is better then anybody that we are going to talk into joining the Jazz. What's the use of having infinite cap space if all we sign are second tier/third tier guys?

 

[JazzyD]

I don't see the Lakers trading Pau to us. Maybe the T-Wolves but not the Jazz. I'd assume they want to ship him somewhere back east.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I think Iggy is a possibility. I doubt we have the assets (except Favors) that LA would want for Gasol.
It's likely the Lakers would ask for Harris, Favors and the better of the GS pick or ours next season for Pau. Like Brown Notes said, I want no part of Pau's contract. He's overpaid and on the decline. We need guys at their peak or with upside. Bad teams acquire high-priced "name" players. There are only a handful of elite players you consider breaking the bank for: Lebron, Kobe, Durant. D. Howard, Rose. Gasol is not in that tier.

With a very punitive luxury tax set to go in effect in 2013, Jazz don't want bad contracts. Iggy is overpriced, but Utah can probably absorb his deal without major pain. He fits until the youngsters come up for their post-rookie contracts.

 

[Brown Notes]

I think Pau Gasol is better then anybody that we are going to talk into joining the Jazz. What's the use of having infinite cap space if all we sign are second tier/third tier guys?

It's not that he's unworthy or anything. Just that we have two elite talents at the spots he plays and it's their time. I should add that the L's probably want a better package than Harris/Sap/Watson for him too. I wouldn't part with any of our 4 youngn's for a 2 year Pau rental.

Finally taking on a 40 mil contract severely reduces the flexibility KOC possesses. If you were talking about somebody playing PG who's worth all that dough then sure. But to do that we'd have to get rid of our 20 mil worth of PGs.

I guess I'm just rambling now. Sorry. In closing I don't believe acquiring Gasol would be a productive venture and am probably mildly influenced by the thought of him flashing Laker rings in a Utah locker room.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yes, a starting line up of

Williams
Hayward
Igoudala
Favors
Gasol

w/ Kanter, Burks, Carroll, Tinsley, Evans, and Murphy as our main reserves.

would be straight nasty. Gasol and Iggy cost a lot, but they are only two year deals, so they expire when the Hayward and Favors need to be extended. If you could somehow flip that lineup into attracting Steve Nash, we have a legitimate title contender.

Some people may whine about the future, but I would rather have two years of strong contention w/ a solid back drop (We will still have our young 4 core and ability to sign FA in 2014).

 

[idiot]

With a very punitive luxury tax set to go in effect in 2013, Jazz don't want bad contracts. Iggy is overpriced, but Utah can probably absorb his deal without major pain. He fits until the youngsters come up for their post-rookie contracts.

I'm concerned about contracts as well, and see your point. Legit question (I don't know the answer): With Pau and Iggy into 2014, would the luxury tax very likely bite us, or would those contracts simply limit our flexibility that extra year?

 

[Former Member]

It's not that he's unworthy or anything. Just that we have two elite talents at the spots he plays and it's their time. I should add that the L's probably want a better package than Harris/Sap/Watson for him too. I wouldn't part with any of our 4 youngn's for a 2 year Pau rental.

Finally taking on a 40 mil contract severely reduces the flexibility KOC possesses. If you were talking about somebody playing PG who's worth all that dough then sure. But to do that we'd have to get rid of our 20 mil worth of PGs.

I guess I'm just rambling now. Sorry. In closing I don't believe acquiring Gasol would be a productive venture and am probably mildly influenced by the thought of him flashing Laker rings in a Utah locker room.

I would argue that Pau's and Iggy's contracts are short. Our core is on rookie contracts so we should be able to balance the budget.

The second bolded part... I absolutely agree. This thought makes me sick to my stomach, however, Fisher has already done it.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'm concerned about contracts as well, and see your point. Legit question (I don't know the answer): With Pau and Iggy into 2014, would the luxury tax very likely bite us, or would those contracts simply limit our flexibility that extra year?

I think it would just limit our flexibility. Most teams can have two max contracts with a bunch of other cheap ones (all our rookies) and be fine. Considering we have the opportunity to add 2 1st round picks next year, our team could be made up of 7 players on rookie contracts (if Murphy makes the team).

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

It's not that he's unworthy or anything. Just that we have two elite talents at the spots he plays and it's their time. I should add that the L's probably want a better package than Harris/Sap/Watson for him too. I wouldn't part with any of our 4 youngn's for a 2 year Pau rental.

Finally taking on a 40 mil contract severely reduces the flexibility KOC possesses. If you were talking about somebody playing PG who's worth all that dough then sure. But to do that we'd have to get rid of our 20 mil worth of PGs.

I guess I'm just rambling now. Sorry. In closing I don't believe acquiring Gasol would be a productive venture and am probably mildly influenced by the thought of him flashing Laker rings in a Utah locker room.

That flexibility is supposed to be used to make the team a contender, if you can add Iggy and Gasol, doesn't that achieve us being a contender?

 

[gomretat]

Obviously this would be good. But no way do you turn that group of Jazz players into Iggy and Gasol

 

[utahjazz107]

https://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=84abdyf

Sixers would get a low post scorer and Lakers get expiring contracts plus young veterans to make another run. I think this is very realistic.

 

[freakazoid]

What's the use of having infinite cap space if all we sign are second tier/third tier guys?

Cap space can be used to take back players in trade, without having to send out equal value, and with the new tax penalties kicking in next year, there should be a lot of teams looking to unload players.

 

[theNBAnerd]

iggy's contract is ridiculous - over 30M for the next two years. if instead you trade jefferson for future assets and extend paul, you can have a successful season and still go into next year with 30M in cap space, multiple draft picks and a core of derrick-gordon-paul-enes-alec.

 

[infection]

iggy's contract is ridiculous - over 30M for the next two years. if instead you trade jefferson for future assets and extend paul, you can have a successful season and still go into next year with 30M in cap space, multiple draft picks and a core of derrick-gordon-paul-enes-alec.

While I agree with most of what you said, I think the idea of trading Jefferson for future assets is less realistic.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Trading Jefferson means you are taking back a long-term contract no matter what. Might as well take on one that has a damn good player attached to it (Gasol or Iggy).

Gasol would give us an elite scoring big man with length.

Iggy would gives us an elite defending wing with intangibles.

 

[vslice02]

I don't want Igoudala and I'm not nearly as in love with Gasol as others are. Pass.

 

[BluesRocker]

Trading Jefferson means you are taking back a long-term contract no matter what. Might as well take on one that has a damn good player attached to it (Gasol or Iggy).

Gasol would give us an elite scoring big man with length.

Iggy would gives us an elite defending wing with intangibles.

I like the idea of Iggy because it rounds us out. But not Gasol. I really like Gasol but bringing him in doesnt make sense.

1. It doesnt clear room to develop Kanter

2. The timing just isnt right. I see so many people talking about trades but dont take in account the timing. We have to be honest with ourselves that our young core isnt ready to win a championship. Adding Gasol will make us better, but not good enough to win it all. By the time our core is ready Pau will be past his prime. Rendering his addition useless in the future. We need to add youth to grow with the team. We have to think long term. Jazzfanz just need to be patient. Lets not blow our load too early.

I would rather obtain a bad contract for Al and a future first(s) to go along with it. The worse the player coming back the better. So long as all Al's traded value went into the value of the future pick we got back. Or a promising young wing player. I just dont want to see someone come in here and take development time from Kanter all for a fake title run.

Manage expectations, make caculated risks and moves, think long term, invest in the future, and we will be so much better off.