Aaron Gordon, a No. 5 Pick?
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Twin Towers
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OK I just watched the scouting report on this guy on Draft Express. I believe he can play the 3. Just needs a better shot and seeing his personality and his answers in the interview process of working on his shot without hesitation was key.
I have ripped on everyone available in this draft multiple times because the big guys seem average. And the rest were tweeners. I fell into everyone saying he is a 4. I don't mind him playing the 4 here and there when we need to go small/quick but full time I am not a fan of him playing the 4. I don't think he is strong enough or big enough and I don't think he ever will be.
Now the 3 position. His release seems fine and I think he will improve. I bet his FT% was based of of just lack experience and maybe nerves.
Quick enough to defend the 3 and I think his handle is good enough also(needs to tighten it up a little though). He reminds of a AK or Lamar Odom on offense but a WAY better man to man defender. Amazing that an 18 year old is that disciplined on defense to not fall for pump fakes and very good foot work on defense.
So again I am eating crow for ripping on this guy. He should be our future 3. Let Hayward go as he will be overpaid by the Celtics or Suns. And let Alec Burks start.
Trey - Neto
Burks - Veteran when we trade the 35 and 23rd
Aaron Gordon -Veteran when we trade the 35 and 23rd
Kanter - Gordon/Evans
Favors - Gobert
Veteran might start over Gordon in the beginning until he gets settled.
I have ripped on everyone available in this draft multiple times because the big guys seem average. And the rest were tweeners. I fell into everyone saying he is a 4. I don't mind him playing the 4 here and there when we need to go small/quick but full time I am not a fan of him playing the 4. I don't think he is strong enough or big enough and I don't think he ever will be.
Now the 3 position. His release seems fine and I think he will improve. I bet his FT% was based of of just lack experience and maybe nerves.
Quick enough to defend the 3 and I think his handle is good enough also(needs to tighten it up a little though). He reminds of a AK or Lamar Odom on offense but a WAY better man to man defender. Amazing that an 18 year old is that disciplined on defense to not fall for pump fakes and very good foot work on defense.
So again I am eating crow for ripping on this guy. He should be our future 3. Let Hayward go as he will be overpaid by the Celtics or Suns. And let Alec Burks start.
Trey - Neto
Burks - Veteran when we trade the 35 and 23rd
Aaron Gordon -Veteran when we trade the 35 and 23rd
Kanter - Gordon/Evans
Favors - Gobert
Veteran might start over Gordon in the beginning until he gets settled.
Gordon is a 3, pundits who never watch a guy play look at a few recent games and size and just make assumptions. Gordon started the year at Arizona playing 3 (although az is really like 2 points, 2 forwards and a center). He moved to the 4 after an injury on the team. Look at his high school vids and you will see he played the wing... There's a vid of him versus wiggins, they are actually on par in athleticism. Gordon had better handles, wiggins had better offense, but the spent the game guarding each other and playing the wing. Gordon is as much of a 4 as wiggins is.
Sexual Favors
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I am happy to welcome you to the light!
But, I have to ask, why would we let Hayward go? He's a good player, and he won't get max. Having multiple ball handlers and facilitators is a good thing. Nothing wrong w/ letting our draftees turn into vets.
If it's about Hayward's shooting, I doubt we'll see what we saw last year again. So much of that offensive scheme was a detriment to his game. Now we have a new coach, who wants to play w/ pace, which is a strength for Burks, Gordon, and Hayward.
♪alt13
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@ 5 I don't see the Jazz getting a #1 option offensively. Smart m a y b e but with his shot probably not. Any team that wants to build an NBA offense around Vonleh can't be Srs about building to contend, imo.
If we move up for Parker/Wiggins/Embodied then **** yeah. If not we get what we can and keep looking for that # 1 option.
Twin Towers
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I don't think Hayward is worth 10 million or more per year and I think the Suns or the Celtics will offer him that.
I don't think anyone that can't create their own shot consistently is worth 10 million or more unless you are a defensive anchor down low like Favors.
If we can get him for 8 million fine. but I don't want him eating up cap space to resign Burks, Kanter or free agents.
Coach Ellis
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I agree. Embiid and Wiggins should go #1 and #2. I'm on board with trading up for Parker or sitting tight and drafting Gordon. Either of those guys would be great additions for this team.
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Twin Towers
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I am not sure Gordon will ever be able to create his own shot though off the dribble. So we have to understand this guy may only be a role player and nothing more. Great man to man and help defense. Great passer. great hustle player. Does all the little things. If he gets a outside shot he could be a very good role player. His technique on his shot is troublesome when it comes to creating his own shot. Very awkward.
So hopefully nobody sees him as a future all-star. I don't see it happening. But sounds like a great role player who could help you become a championship team. I like the pick if its him and we see him as a 3.
So hopefully nobody sees him as a future all-star. I don't see it happening. But sounds like a great role player who could help you become a championship team. I like the pick if its him and we see him as a 3.
Beantown
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You know one of his greatest strengths is his ball handling skills right?
da ThRONe
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I agree I think Hayward will be overpaid somewhere in the 13-14M's per season range. My personal philosophy is to never drastically over pay for a player. I think based on his skillset he's a 7-9M's per year guy. I'd settle at 11M's per year, but that would be the max. If I'm not mistaken Hayward already turn down as much. I would look to sign and trade Hayward rather than overpay him. Good player, but I believe his production can be had at a much more reasonable price.
Coach Ellis
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Why would Aaron Gordon be coming off the bench if they re-sign Gordon Hayward? The team has pretty much slotted him into the 2 spot. Don't get me wrong. . . I think AG is better off long-term if he starts on the bench and works on his shot, but he probably won't lose minutes because of Gordon Hayward.
Jazz4ever
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Jazz gonna match. Hayward has a great basketball IQ and will improve under Snyder's tutelage. His shot will return to second year accuracy. Should be an 18/6/6 player in his prime, you just don't let that walk, especially with only 27 million on the books next year.
da ThRONe
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I don't know if the Jazz will or won't match and honestly that's not even my point. My point is anything north of 11M's per they shouldn't.
If Hayward is averaging 18/6/6 that's probably not good for the Jazz. I don't think if any combo of Burks, Favors, Kanter, Burke, Gobert and whoever you guys take this year develop Hayward will put up those numbers even if he continues to get better.
Yes you have cap space, but that shouldn't be an open invite to overspend. 1st Kanter and Burks will be eligible for their new deals. Next you never know who will be available in FA. Let's say everybody on the roster make a huge leap this off-season under Snyder. And you are a 7th or 8th seed in the playoffs next year. You may find yourself a target for a player worthy of a max deal, or you may need that cap space to eat a awful contract in a trade.
sahlensguy
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I wrote off Smart weeks ago. Thanks alot! He's a bit of a chucker without a shot. Using my own logic based on the quote, I'll need to reconsider. While I like Gordon's ceiling, he is a few years away to being an contributor. The point you made about Smart being an upgrade even with no shot, is an important one. He can contribute more this season than any other pick at 5. That's important to a new rookie coach of a lottery team in a loaded division, who is aware of his coaching mortality. Early contribution may swing the pick to Smart.
Sexual Favors
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Hayward and Gordon have very complementary games. I want to see those two play together. Two great basketball minds on the court is far better than one.
Name one championship team in the last 40 years that didn't have AT LEAST one of those guys without mentioning the 2004 Pistons (who still had a few guys that would be first options on bad teams).
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At least at this point, Smart and Randle have been that before. But a point I'm trying to get at is that the Jazz should try really hard to move up. The sanctimonious turds that are married to nice scraps and wouldn't give any up to get a bona fide #1 option are hopefully not in the front office, although I don't know why anyone in the top-3 would trade out. There's chatter about someone slipping out of the consensus top-3 because sometimes teams out-think themselves and fall in love with players below the consensus. If that's the case - for example, if Philly wants Exum and want a return on where they sit - maybe they'll make a deal to get the player they want and more in order to make it happen.
I'm holding onto hope that the Jazz get one of those three guys and I don't know why. But of everyone in play in the top-10, TODAY, Aaron Gordon is literally at the bottom of the list of players that you could build an offense around and the Jazz need one badly. And with all of this talk of him becoming a player that he simply isn't close to being, well, **** in one hand in wish in the other and see what fills up first.