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Addressing our deficit at power forward

Catchall said:
I still don't think it would take too much to trade for Alfarouq Aminu. He's been languishing on Orlando's bench before getting injured. He's got two more years left on his deal after this one though. He'd also have to be healthy, obviously. He's a good defender and rebounder who can guard athletic wings and 4s.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/orlando-magic/al-farouq-aminu-6890/
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Aminu is only 6'8, which means he is slightly undersized at the 4 -- as Bogdanovic is. He also is not really a good scorer inside, probably due to a combination of lack of size/strenght and post moves. From outside, he has always been inconsistent -- to say the least. From 16 feet to the 3 point line, he has been at 29% for his career (and 33% this season); from beyond the 3 point line, he has shot 33% for his career (and 25% this season) -- per basketball reference. My point is that Aminu is a classic tweener: can't really play the 4 (due lack of size) and can't really play the 3 (due to lack of shooting). He is no solution for whatever problem that any team in the league may have, IMO. I concede, though, that his athleticism is above average and that he is relatively though, especially on the defensive end, but I don't see how plugging him in any Jazz line-up would be a clear upgrade over what the Jazz currently have available.
 
jom2003 said:
Well did you take into account the number of those Royce/Mike/Ingles minutes were played WITH Rudy on the floor? Rudy made our PF look like a nonissue because he could do two big men's work in one. Same can not be said about most big men in this league.

Having a 6'4 playing at the 4 absolutely WILL cause you issues. You think those teams that are good enough to make it to the Western Conference playoffs will not be able to exploit it?
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It’s the starting unit my man so 100% of those minutes are with the starters. You are hung up on Royce’s height. Hes doing great there. Draymond played center in the death lineups and I think he came in at 6’6”.

Rudy is obviously a big reason why that works, but if we had a solid backup you could run Niang or o e of the g league guys at 4 and be fine. Ed Muck’s up the offense all by himself and is fine on defense but not good enough to make up for his *** offense.
 
jom2003 said:
Said it before and I will say it again, +/- is such a deceiving stats... We all know Conley has sucked for us and despite that, he still holds an overall positive +/- simply because he got to share the floor with Rudy.

While DM, being arguably one of the two best players on our team, gets hurt in +/- a lot because he often times get put in situations where he had to lead our bench consist of Niang, Ed and Jeff.

+/- should never ever be used as the sole indicator on how good a player is.
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Individual +- in one game can be deceiving. Using lineup data from hundreds of minutes where the +- is overwhelmingly positive is a fantastic way to gauge what is working and what is broken.
 
Shad said:
People know Aminu is out with a torn meniscus right? They actually just came out on the 28th and said he's not healing well either and people still want to trade for him? gtfo
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Yes, because that makes his value to Orlando decrease. Of course Aminu has a lot of weaknesses that are outlined above — that’s what makes him a more realistic target for us. The biggest thing about him is that he’s a bench piece, he’s a good defender, he can switch, he’s big enough to at least put a body on LeBron and Kawhi, and he actually grabs rebounds. The fact that he’s only a passable shooter from deep indicates that he can actually hit from three.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
It’s the starting unit my man so 100% of those minutes are with the starters. You are hung up on Royce’s height. Hes doing great there. Draymond played center in the death lineups and I think he came in at 6’6”.

Rudy is obviously a big reason why that works, but if we had a solid backup you could run Niang or o e of the g league guys at 4 and be fine. Ed Muck’s up the offense all by himself and is fine on defense but not good enough to make up for his *** offense.
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"Royce is doing great at 4"...? What numbers besides the +/- support this claim? Royce currently averages 6pt and 5reb in 29 min of play and holds a PER of 9.3, that is ranked 11th on this team. Royce is a good player don't get me wrong. But his values came as a wing. He brings nothing on the table as a 4. You mentioned Draymond but he is still bigger than Royce by enough margin which allows him to rebound and guard most big men in the league.

And like I said, Royce is a great player. But having him at the 4 still only works with an elite center like Rudy. And now we are substituting Royce with a significantly worse player in Niang, you believe it somehow would only require a backup center that is less than Rudy to make it work?
 
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NAOS said:
What is Donovan’s? Justwonderingok??
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https://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=1628378&VsPlayerID=203497

Check it out yourself why don't you? And again like I said, Donovan is a victim of the deceiving nature of the +/- stats and he actually shot better and score better while Rudy is off the floor. He scores 36pts on every 100 poss when Rudy is off the court versus 32pts when Rudy is on. If we can give DM the Giannis treatment by surrounding him with 4 shooters and let him go to work, it should help us in getting his game to the next level.
 
jom2003 said:
That too. Funny how people keep blaming Ed for everything because he couldn't do what Gobert has done for us. Gobert is a privilege/luxury, and should not be taken for granted. Ed would've been fine had him not been put on a team that expect their center to stop everything.
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I disagree. Ed has hurt us far more offensively than he has defensively. We just haven't been able to score with him on the floor and trying to run pick and roll with him has been a nightmare due to his inability to catch the ball and his inability to finish on those rare occasions that he actually does catch it. Ed has been bad on both ends of the floor.
 
Jingled said:
I disagree. Ed has hurt us far more offensively than he has defensively. We just haven't been able to score with him on the floor and trying to run pick and roll with him has been a nightmare due to his inability to catch the ball and his inability to finish on those rare occasions that he actually does catch it. Ed has been bad on both ends of the floor.
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I agree that Ed was a poor signing because he really doesn't fit into what we were looking for. We brought him in hoping he could keep up defensively/rebounding with Rudy, but he(to no one's surprise) could not. Neither could Favs but he was a much better offensive player, which allowed us to play a different style of basketball.

Ed was more of Udoh's replacement and we all know how much of a difference Udoh had made. What Rudy had done for us was irreplicable. We need to switch playstyle whenever he gets subbed off instead of trying to keep up the same style with inferior players.
 
jom2003 said:
https://stats.nba.com/vs/advanced/#!?PlayerID=1626220&VsPlayerIDOh, found it. I was right. Royce stats, both traditional and advance with Rudy off the floor, were not just worse, they were actually horrendous.

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who was the center in the floor... was it Ed Davis Jeff green or Tony Bradley... because that is our biggest hole and the reason those lineups would suck.

Put Marcus Morris in for Royce or Paul Millsap or whatever 4 you think is average and I don’t think we are better.
 
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