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Alec Burks has added six inches

Why must you troll me on here so damn hard?

Sorry..... I think its your corbin love that does it.

My biggest issue with corbin was when his amazing combo if foye, marvin, and mo would lay an egg and get us in a big hole and then the core four come in and kick ***...... there didn't seem to be any reward.
I wish that when the bench was in there bustin *** and producing, he would not just go back to the vets to secure the loss.

I saw that happen way too often.

I mean playing foye all those minutes didnt do us much good.

I could forgive him with mo, jeffy, sap, and marvin based off the big contracts I guess..... but foye, bell, cj, howard, watson, tinsley over burks just didn't do us any good and I just can't understand.

I mean what was the master plan? How are cj, bell, howard, foye, watson and tinsley doing for the jazz right now?
All those wasted opportunities for burks.
 
That's cool but his vertical was never the problem. It's been the least of his concerns, actually. But again, that's cool.
 
TBH, I wrote a response to this two separate times previously but didn't really know how to put it right so I deleted it. We hashed this over so much in your absence and I didn't want to open that can of worms up and derail the thread, so I gave more of a blunt response instead. I apologize for misreading your question, which is more than clear now, and giving a contextual response when I shouldn't have.

Your questions are too general in nature in that they include multiple players where development is a person to person issue. Are you referring to a mishandling of one player in particular, or complaining that the FO didn't handle them appropriately as a group?

Maybe I have been misunderstanding your position, or maybe we are just talking about 2 different things. I think we agree on the way Corbin played the young guys, for the most part. I do agree with Fish about his concern with Burks vs CJ, et al. But I also see why he played AJ, Marv, Sap, et al over Favors/Kanter to a point. We were trying to win right then and it makes more sense to play the vets you have already invested in when that is the case.

I really was intrigued by the assertion that this means that Corbin has handled their development appropriately. I do not think that he has, from a purely developmental stand point. I think putting Favors and Kanters more heavily in the mix from the get-go, combined with effective coaching, practice and scrimmage would have done more for them than the way they have been used so far.

But, as I said, I understand it from an organizational standpoint. So I was curious. If you feel not only that the organization did the best thing (right thing? debatable) they could under the circumstances, but also that Corbin did the "best" or "right" thing in handling their development in general regardless of organizational circumstances, as seems to be your position, then what benefit did they gain by being limited in minutes as they were, even if it was only 5 or 10 mpg? Is there something concrete that makes this more optimal than playing them for those minutes to begin with?

Everyone knows Kanter wasn't ready for big minutes too. Corbin has been flawless bringing all three of these players along.

I personally can't see it. I think that, again ceteris paribus, the extra game-time would be only a boon to their development, a net gain over the other developmental activities. It allows for more analysis by the coaching staff and for more real-world application of practice, which is necessary to convert "book", or let's say "gym" learning to street smarts, or game-time ability. You seemed to believe otherwise, and I was curious why and if there were any examples, even speculative or anecdotal, of players who suffered in their development due to too much PT early on.

If I misunderstood your position, or have mischaracterized it, I apologize, but that seems to be what you have been saying.

Sorry if I missed this already. If you can point me at a thread I would like to read it.
 
I really was intrigued by the assertion that this means that Corbin has handled their development appropriately. I do not think that he has, from a purely developmental stand point. I think putting Favors and Kanters more heavily in the mix from the get-go, combined with effective coaching, practice and scrimmage would have done more for them than the way they have been used so far.

But, as I said, I understand it from an organizational standpoint. So I was curious. If you feel not only that the organization did the best thing (right thing? debatable) they could under the circumstances, but also that Corbin did the "best" or "right" thing in handling their development in general regardless of organizational circumstances, as seems to be your position, then what benefit did they gain by being limited in minutes as they were, even if it was only 5 or 10 mpg? Is there something concrete that makes this more optimal than playing them for those minutes to begin with?



I personally can't see it. I think that, again ceteris paribus, the extra game-time would be only a boon to their development, a net gain over the other developmental activities. It allows for more analysis by the coaching staff and for more real-world application of practice, which is necessary to convert "book", or let's say "gym" learning to street smarts, or game-time ability. You seemed to believe otherwise, and I was curious why and if there were any examples, even speculative or anecdotal, of players who suffered in their development due to too much PT early on.

First thing to remember is the confirmation bias we get when a player develops. These guys weren't ready for big minutes and then grew into roles. We can't look at the end product and apply the result in-game to what they were earlier on. Kanter and Burks were raw as they come and no amount of game time was going to help them grow. It could only do them harm in the confidence department. Kanter looked like **** his first season, and Burks was an untrustable chucker who Corbin couldn't rely on to stay within the offense (that's to be expected from a young player, before FOJ goes off on me for saying it).


Kanter
Corbin and Co. taught the guy the basics like not bringing the ball down after a rebound and protecting it with his back to the basket. These are mental habits that have to be engrained, which took Kanter a lot of time. Throwing him into the mix when he hasn't learned to do this in practice is not going to add to development.

The next step was training Kanter to put his skills on autopilot so he could focus on the entire court and make decisions based on what the defense was giving him. The guy is strong as an ox but he's not physically overwhelming so he has to play smart to have success. Once again, if he can't make the right decision in practice then playing him more is not going to advance his game.


Burks

I wouldn't have played Burks ahead of CJ early on. He was that bad. Corbin benched his *** and made him respect the time he earned. This kid was unproductive in nearly every facet of the game, and couldn't play within the offense. If he couldn't learn the basics in practice then he wasn't going to grow when going full speed.


Favors

This guy possibly had his growth hindered. However, he's played plenty of minutes per game for three straight years and hasn't yet shown the ability to take that next step. Why should I bitch about Corbin for playing him 1800 minutes vs. 2600? The Jazz would have lost many more games and Favors would have looked more mediocre. How does 5-7 more minutes of that 3 times a week do anything to benefit Favors?
 
I just added 6" to the size of this pic...BOOM!

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this pic was taken LAST summer
 
this pic was taken LAST summer

Every summer he has been on the jazz he has worked his butt off, added size (muscle), added to his athleticism (vert), dominated summer league, and kicked *** in pre-season (last year even shot over 50% from three on like 12 attempts iirc)

Basically this summer is no different from past summers for burks..... just doin what he does.

This year we will see all his hard work finally pay off
 
Every summer he has been on the jazz he has worked his butt off, added size (muscle), added to his athleticism (vert), dominated summer league, and kicked *** in pre-season (last year even shot over 50% from three on like 12 attempts iirc)

Basically this summer is no different from past summers for burks..... just doin what he does.

This year we will see all his hard work finally pay off

You sayin sixth man of the year? That good?
 
Like what Numb said, 6 inches is cool and all but... I just want to see him play good defense, hit open shots, run the plays correctly and be in the right spots.

I do love the idea of him running the wing on a fast break or a million. Tbh I love the idea of Burks, Favors, or Hayward running the wing on a fb with Burke passing or better yet all 3 running on a break. If we play awesome D and get tons of fast breaks and transition breaks I would be thrilled because I think we can get some easy buckets and can use the athleticism of Favors and the wings.
 
Eh if I'm being realistic then he will hopefully be able to beat out rush and hold down a starting role while averaging 13 pts, 4 rebounds, and 2 assists.

I LOVE his size, speed, jumping ability, motor, swagger and ability to play some point though and hope he is really turned loose and put in the best situations for him to succeed. (Not camped on the 3 point line acting as a floor spreading 3 point shooter)
 
Eh if I'm being realistic then he will hopefully be able to beat out rush and hold down a starting role while averaging 13 pts, 4 rebounds, and 2 assists.

I LOVE his size, speed, jumping ability, motor, swagger and ability to play some point though and hope he is really turned loose and put in the best situations for him to succeed. (Not camped on the 3 point line acting as a floor spreading 3 point shooter)

He should be able to. As much as people on here have ranted and raved about Rush, I just don/t see it. Rush has averaged around 27 minutes a game his entire career, yet has never scored in double digits for a season. Yes, Rush can defend and shoot the 3, but he's also 28 yrs old and coming off a very serious injury. Burks has far more upside than him, and I personally think would have already proven he was better than Rush had he had consistent playing time.

If Ian Clark pans out, I don't see Rush in this team's future.

I think it is telling that Rush keeps tweeting how he is healed and ready, but Lindsey keeps saying in his interviews that he isn't. This team has clear objectives, and it is to build a powerhouse for the future.
 
He should be able to. As much as people on here have ranted and raved about Rush, I just don/t see it. Rush has averaged around 27 minutes a game his entire career, yet has never scored in double digits for a season. Yes, Rush can defend and shoot the 3, but he's also 28 yrs old and coming off a very serious injury. Burks has far more upside than him, and I personally think would have already proven he was better than Rush had he had consistent playing time.

If Ian Clark pans out, I don't see Rush in this team's future.

I think it is telling that Rush keeps tweeting how he is healed and ready, but Lindsey keeps saying in his interviews that he isn't. This team has clear objectives, and it is to build a powerhouse for the future.

K, I will admit I was wrong. DL just sa dhe thinks Rush could be back in the future.
 
David Locke
"The player that other players were talking about from the month of workouts was universally Alec Burks"

Very good sign
 
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