All you Jefferson haters just can't handle his sauce

[Deleted member 848]

No surprise because you see only Valanciunas as a better player than him. People call me Big Al hater but noone calls you Kanter hater even though you criticize him in every possession in game threads,in every opportunity you can find, interesting.

By the way, he is already a better rebounder not he will be

Clearly you're doing some selective reading then. Im sure its widely-agreed that AKMVP has pretty much usurped Sloanfeld as the most annoying homer on this forum. You're pretty close though Sepanol, especially when you make posts like the ones in this thread

 

[sepanol]

Clearly you're doing some selective reading then. Im sure its widely-agreed that AKMVP has pretty much usurped Sloanfeld as the most annoying homer on this forum. You're pretty close though Sepanol, especially when you make posts like the ones in this thread

Well, it is your opinion and it doesnt bother me, and you arent the only poster in this forum so i dont really give a **** what you think. But for me you are not annoying, you just cant accept when someone else has a different idea. And I say these things when Big Al plays big, i dont come to the board and rain hatred messages after he sucked like in the beginning of the season. It is just seems stupid to me, when you guys think he is such a good player just because he played ok for a few games. He had many of such games last year, but if you look at it as a whole, it is not difficult to understand, i am not exaggarating anything but he is certainly a player like i say.

 

[Stoked]

Well, it is your opinion and it doesnt bother me, and you arent the only poster in this forum so i dont really give a **** what you think. But for me you are not annoying, you just cant accept when someone else has a different idea. And I say these things when Big Al plays big, i dont come to the board and rain hatred messages after he sucked like in the beginning of the season. It is just seems stupid to me, when you guys think he is such a good player just because he played ok for a few games. He had many of such games last year, but if you look at it as a whole, it is not difficult to understand, i am not exaggarating anything but he is certainly a player like i say.

No go reasonable! They will never see it coming!

 

[sepanol]

Clearly you're doing some selective reading then. Im sure its widely-agreed that AKMVP has pretty much usurped Sloanfeld as the most annoying homer on this forum. You're pretty close though Sepanol, especially when you make posts like the ones in this thread

You know, i dont agree with anything you say at all, but somehow i dont have any hatred or antipathy against you, maybe it is because of your avatar, you should keep it longer

 

[sepanol]

No go reasonable! They will never see it coming!

I dont remember how many guys were against me when i called Derrick Williams a crap and Kanter is much better option in off season, now i dont see anyone mentioning about why we didnt draft D Will, so thats good, i will keep battling with Big Al dreamers (not lovers because it is not real Big Al, it is just an imaginary person they think who he is), and i will be patient and see at the end who is right. There is a chinese saying, Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet.

 

[aybars]

noone calls you Kanter hater even though you criticize him in every possession in game threads,in every opportunity you can find, interesting.

lol,i thought i was the only one who noticed this,whenever enes does something wrong,i count to 3 than i refresh the game-thread page,and booom,there is akmvp

 

[sepanol]

lol,i thought i was the only one who noticed this,whenever enes does something wrong,i count to 3 than i refresh the game-thread page,and booom,there is akmvp

If it was Valanciunas in same possession, would have been either bad luck or good defense

 

[aybars]

If it was Valanciunas in same possession, would have been either bad luck or good defense

you know JV is very lucky that he was in 2011 draft,if he would waited one more year,with his current eurocup(lol ) stats,i think he would be hardly drafted in second round

 

[Deleted member 848]

You know, i dont agree with anything you say at all, but somehow i dont have any hatred or antipathy against you, maybe it is because of your avatar, you should keep it longer

Its funny, because neither do I. Disliking people aint really my thing


Avatar should be here to stay for a bit. FYI, the sig will probably remain till the end of the season. Ill then posrep you to no end if your prediction comes true, lol. Im pretty sure your on pace, thus far. Ill never understand your Al pessimism, and sometimes I feel like you do contradict yourself, but I know you're not trolling. Im hoping for Kanter to be the bee's knees just as much as you, but I wan Al to make the playoff this year as well. He's a good guy, and I wanna see how much damage he can do when he's motivated. I feel like theres a whole side of "playoff-Al" the league hasn't yet witnessed due to his lack of representation in the playoffs, and I wanna see if he can be this years Zach Randolph.

 

[Deleted member 848]

you know JV is very lucky that he was in 2011 draft,if he would waited one more year,with his current eurocup(lol ) stats,i think he would be hardly drafted in second round

lol

 

[sepanol]

Its funny, because neither do I. Disliking people aint really my thing


Avatar should be here to stay for a bit. FYI, the sig will probably remain till the end of the season. Ill then posrep you to no end if your prediction comes true, lol. Im pretty sure your on pace, thus far. Ill never understand your Al pessimism, and sometimes I feel like you do contradict yourself, but I know you're not trolling. Im hoping for Kanter to be the bee's knees just as much as you, but I wan Al to make the playoff this year as well. He's a good guy, and I wanna see how much damage he can do when he's motivated. I feel like theres a whole side of "playoff-Al" the league hasn't yet witnessed due to his lack of representation in the playoffs, and I wanna see if he can be this years Zach Randolph.

You mean my prediction kanter 10 reb per 30 min?

I am not trolling for sure, just i dont like players who doesnt play defense at all. Thats why i hated boozer for years, even in the year we played against Spurs he made Oberto look like Nowitzki. Anyway, we will see about Big Al, i think we will make playoffs unless anything extraordinary happens, so that will be the real indicator how good he is. I still dont think anything close to you about him, because i think a player who doesnt play defense can be a good player but can not be great.

 

[Brown Notes]

I should set a couple things straight.

Sepanol:

This is a call out thread. In case you don't know what that is, it's a thread in which some guy who feels his case is validated shouts out to the heavens that he was right all along. Generally unless the poster is retarded these kinds of things occur right after a lot of evidence comes along to support the poster's stance. Of course there is almost always some stubborn poster who is willing to come in and blow it up, only to be burned mercilessly.

In this thread that stubborn poster is you. I'm not going to follow you around and clown on every wrong thing you say but in threads like this you can expect to be blown the F up.

Somewhere along the way you might have noticed I don't get riled up over Jefferson with the other haters like I do with you. Numbs couldn't stand the guy but when I engaged him he responded with a pretty well thought out and fairly compelling response. He didn't use absurd straw man models, set ridiculous standards or make counter accusations, just stated his thoughts. Basically said he didn't like the style of BBall in which the C scores a lot and doesn't think Al is good enough at that in the first place (IIRC). It was a very good response. I'm sure you think you are doing the same thing but it is a very far cry. It has nothing to do with any language barrier and in fact I am always impressed with people that speak multiple languages. I won't make fun of your English. But false statements, false logic, stubborn refusal to admit even the most obvious evidence, refusal to acknowledge/ attempts to redirect the point of a conversation, and of course wishy washy switching of standards will not stand. You're going to get owned.

For the love of god stop comparing everyone to Dirk. There never had been a Dirk before Dirk. There is no reason to compare anybody to him because there isn't another one. It's a STOOPID comparison, for ANY player.

Finally, Kanter. If you think you can find any post of mine anywhere after I've had time to see this kid play in which I espouse hate towards him, good luck. He's looked really good except in the bit where he wore the pro wrestler getup. He's been very good, surprisingly so. So stop it with that nonsense. I liked JV better as a prospect, like I told you last year. I don't bring the guy up because he isn't playing here. Get over it, we can get back to those two over next year and beyond.

Okay, Hope that makes things a little clearer for you. It looks like you are softening on Al somewhat. If not feel free to bash him, I'll be right back in. Game on.

 

[sepanol]

I should set a couple things straight.

Sepanol:

This is a call out thread. In case you don't know what that is, it's a thread in which some guy who feels his case is validated shouts out to the heavens that he was right all along. Generally unless the poster is retarded these kinds of things occur right after a lot of evidence comes along to support the poster's stance. Of course there is almost always some stubborn poster who is willing to come in and blow it up, only to be burned mercilessly.

In this thread that stubborn poster is you. I'm not going to follow you around and clown on every wrong thing you say but in threads like this you can expect to be blown the F up.

Somewhere along the way you might have noticed I don't get riled up over Jefferson with the other haters like I do with you. Numbs couldn't stand the guy but when I engaged him he responded with a pretty well thought out and fairly compelling response. He didn't use absurd straw man models, set ridiculous standards or make counter accusations, just stated his thoughts. Basically said he didn't like the style of BBall in which the C scores a lot and doesn't think Al is good enough at that in the first place (IIRC). It was a very good response. I'm sure you think you are doing the same thing but it is a very far cry. It has nothing to do with any language barrier and in fact I am always impressed with people that speak multiple languages. I won't make fun of your English. But false statements, false logic, stubborn refusal to admit even the most obvious evidence, refusal to acknowledge/ attempts to redirect the point of a conversation, and of course wishy washy switching of standards will not stand. You're going to get owned.

For the love of god stop comparing everyone to Dirk. There never had been a Dirk before Dirk. There is no reason to compare anybody to him because there isn't another one. It's a STOOPID comparison, for ANY player.

Finally, Kanter. If you think you can find any post of mine anywhere after I've had time to see this kid play in which I espouse hate towards him, good luck. He's looked really good except in the bit where he wore the pro wrestler getup. He's been very good, surprisingly so. So stop it with that nonsense. I liked JV better as a prospect, like I told you last year. I don't bring the guy up because he isn't playing here. Get over it, we can get back to those two over next year and beyond.

Okay, Hope that makes things a little clearer for you. It looks like you are softening on Al somewhat. If not feel free to bash him, I'll be right back in. Game on.

First of all i dont understand why I HAVE TO be like Numbs or another poster, it is my way, and you dont need to like it, just do it your way as you do now. You are pointing out unnecessary information to count yourself logical and me wrong. I am not stuck with Dirk, just it is the first name coming to my mind setting certain examples, it is nonsense to carve it, because i dont compare Big Al to him, i just give exaggarated example to make it more clear for people to understand. If i only say Jefferson makes unnecessary jump shot instead of he thinks he is Dirk, that seems a bit raw to me, as i say it is my way, and that is your way, there is nothing more stupid than expecting everyone else to behave the way you like.

You liked JV far better than Kanter but you make it look like you are cool, you like Kanter and you want the team to be good but i just support my boy and dont care about anything else including the team, that is pretty ridiculous.

I dont know why i shouldnt be stubborn? If i back up my opinions i am stubborn and when you back up yours you are the smartpants who wins the arguement with his wording skills or what? It is already being clown to say, 'every WRONG thing you say ' it is wrong for you, not for me or someone else.

I am not softening on Al because i didnt hate him before, just my opinion is clear, in simplest words he is not good enough to get paid 14 per year. All i am trying to do is, bashing head of guys like you with Thor's Hammer so you can wake up from your dream that Big Al is gonna be something great. He will look good when team plays good as a whole, but it doesnt change the truth that he has so many holes and weaknesses in his game. And with so many weaknesses, you cant be a franchise player for a decent team in this league even if you are very talented like Big Al.

By the way i still didn't understand what kind of evidence you were talking about that proves i am wrong? I hope you wont say STATS.

 

[Brown Notes]

You were wrong when you said he couldn't get better. He did.

You were wrong to say he is selfish and lazy, he clearly worked his *** off to get his body where it is, and he is very obviously loving being on a team, or should I say TEAM.

You are also wrong to be so insistent on his contract being bad. It's actually good in that after next season we simply let him walk if he's not the cat's meow by then. Boom, 14 mil cleared. In the meantime you get a pretty good to very good player who has very clearly been buying in.

Finally you are wrong that he doesn't play any defense at all. He does, just not superb D. A lot of this should be credited to Ty making the rotations easier and motivating him.

Oh, yea, you are also wrong on his J, although that's more or less an eye of the beholder thing. IMO if the other team leaves him out at 10-18 feet with no one on him, that means everyone else is covered. So either put up an easy shot or reset. When somebody is on him that pump fake nets an easy 2 quite often and can't work if he never shoots. Also when he's outside that 5 foot zone this pumping/shooting routine has been cut down and he's been passing more. So again, you're wrong that all he does is shoot, and that when he does it's always a terrible shot.

I am probably missing more that surely you will fill me in on.

I suppose it's only fair to point out that you are right in that Jefferson is not perfect. He doesn't really do anything elite except score inside 5 feet on the left side of the rim. Basically Jefferson's elite NBA skill is to make his own shot from there while committing very few turnovers. If the dude finished with either hand, had a fade away, could play off either shoulder equally well, ect... he would never have been on this team in the first place. He'd be a franchise player.

 

[sepanol]

You were wrong when you said he couldn't get better. He did.

You were wrong to say he is selfish and lazy, he clearly worked his *** off to get his body where it is, and he is very obviously loving being on a team, or should I say TEAM.

You are also wrong to be so insistent on his contract being bad. It's actually good in that after next season we simply let him walk if he's not the cat's meow by then. Boom, 14 mil cleared. In the meantime you get a pretty good to very good player who has very clearly been buying in.

Finally you are wrong that he doesn't play any defense at all. He does, just not superb D. A lot of this should be credited to Ty making the rotations easier and motivating him.

Oh, yea, you are also wrong on his J, although that's more or less an eye of the beholder thing. IMO if the other team leaves him out at 10-18 feet with no one on him, that means everyone else is covered. So either put up an easy shot or reset. When somebody is on him that pump fake nets an easy 2 quite often and can't work if he never shoots. Also when he's outside that 5 foot zone this pumping/shooting routine has been cut down and he's been passing more. So again, you're wrong that all he does is shoot, and that when he does it's always a terrible shot.

I am probably missing more that surely you will fill me in on.

I suppose it's only fair to point out that you are right in that Jefferson is not perfect. He doesn't really do anything elite except score inside 5 feet on the left side of the rim. Basically Jefferson's elite NBA skill is to make his own shot from there while committing very few turnovers. If the dude finished with either hand, had a fade away, could play off either shoulder equally well, ect... he would never have been on this team in the first place. He'd be a franchise player.

First, you are telling wrong just according to your own mind which doesnt mean anything to me, it is funny that you are relying on only 1-2 games to consider he improved, he plays good defense (not superb oh really? whats superb then i really wonder), in basketball especially in nba, most important thing is being consistent, he is a consistent stats maker but not a consistent defender, passer or good decision maker. And it is really funny how you back him up so enthusiastic, i watched the last game and only good thing he did was giving a couple of back door passes. He didnt shoot well, he didnt defend well, he didnt score well. But since the team played pretty well, his weaknesses didnt appear so obviously.

Second, there is a reason why they leave someone wide open, because he cant shoot, like Rondo, like Kobe did to Brewer etc. He can shoot 1-2 open shots per game i dont mind, and sometimes he even make it, but damn it, he cant just throw the ball like he is Stojakovic while he has much better options. That shows how poor his iq is. As you should have noticed, i never argue this guys talent, i argue his iq, fundamentals. Please dont try to put more evidence to prove he has good iq, fundamentals, defense and else because there is no evidence other than your fantasy related imaginations.( Do you watch Avatar or Star Wars too much recently? )

 

[Dr. Jones]

I'm impressed with Sep's language/punctuation skills considering it's a second language.

carry on fellas.

 

[fallenchicken]

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Sepanol, your blind love for Kanter must keep you from seeing Al's improvements from the beginning of the year. Al has never been on a team that plays team ball. Big Al seems to have picked that part of his game up. If you would take your blinders off you would see this, you would see the chemistry between Al and Millsap.

Al's contract is not outrageous as you say it is. Al isn't paid like an elite superstar they get paid max contracts. By my count there aren't more then 10 elite level superstars. Then there are also players that get paid like superstars like Gay, the last year of his contract pays him over 19 million. (not elite level). Let's look at Joe Johnson, the last year of his contract pays him over 24 million (not elite level). Look at our very own AK, even he was paid more then Al. Al is paid market value, the same as other players at his value. The owners set the market. Al is paid what NBA owners expect to pay a player of Al's caliber.

 

[MVP]

AKMVP has pretty much usurped Sloanfeld as the most annoying homer on this forum.

me - homer? ROFL... are you freaking serious?

 

[MVP]

No surprise because you see only Valanciunas as a better player than him.

you really need to let it go. Why even drag Valanciunas into discussion when we comparing Kanter and big AL? Big AL at this point is so much better then Kanter that for you to say "that for sure" Kanter is going to be better then big AL is quite a stretch, don't you think so? For example I like Burks a lot and I think he will be great for the Jazz but I would not go and declare that he will be better then Ginobili or so...I hope you understand my point.