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So this is the case of a policewoman who, after a shift, went home to her apartment, but got into the wrong apartment (i.e, the same position but on the wrong floor), and shot the owner of the apartment in the heart (victim's an African American sitting at home watching TV and eating ice cream).

Was it self defense? (i.e., she thought the guy was an intruder in her home)

Or was it negligent killing? (apparently policeman are trained to shoot first shoot at the leg)

Did she use racial profiling to determine that he's a threat? (i.e., he's black so he's dangerous)

https://www.vox.com/identities/2019...las-police-officer-trial-partner-texts-rivera

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ONE LOVE said:
So this is the case of a policewoman who, after a shift, went home to her apartment, but got into the wrong apartment (i.e, the same position but on the wrong floor), and shot the owner of the apartment in the heart (victim's an African American sitting at home watching TV and eating ice cream).

Was it self defense? (i.e., she thought the guy was an intruder in her home)

Or was it negligent killing? (apparently policeman are trained to shoot first shoot at the leg)

Did she use racial profiling to determine that he's a threat? (i.e., he's black so he's dangerous)

https://www.vox.com/identities/2019...las-police-officer-trial-partner-texts-rivera
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Seems like murder to me.

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ONE LOVE said:
Yeah it's a tricky one...

Cos if she truly believed that she was entering her home with an intruder, and perceive the intruder to be a threat, does she have the right to eliminate that threat?
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No. She made a mistake. Her ****ing up doesn't give her the right to shoot someone. Especially since she wasn't under attack anyway.
The victim did nothing wrong and was killed cause the shooter made a mistake in judgment which shouldn't excuse the action the shooter took.

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I have been following this one. Not tricky at all. She was entirely at fault, no doubt. Extreme negligence that resulted in a needless death. Minimum voluntary manslaughter, maybe even 2nd degree, although there wasn't really any "malice aforethought", although you could argue she committed the crime of breaking and entering then killed the home owner, which could even be murder 1 if it's viewed that way. No matter what she needs to do serious time. Voluntary manslaughter at the minimum because she absolutely intended to kill, regardless of what she thought she was doing.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I have been following this one. Not tricky at all. She was entirely at fault, no doubt. Extreme negligence that resulted in a needless death. Minimum voluntary manslaughter, maybe even 2nd degree, although there wasn't really any "malice aforethought", although you could argue she committed the crime of breaking and entering then killed the home owner, which could even be murder 1 if it's viewed that way. No matter what she needs to do serious time. Voluntary manslaughter at the minimum because she absolutely intended to kill, regardless of what she thought she was doing.
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This and I also kind of retract my first post on this thread a bit.
I don't think she should get first degree murder but like you said, manslaughter or 2nd degree

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OK just to play devil's advocate - how about the Stand Your Ground Law?

You're allowed to use force (even deadly force) to protect yourself in your own home?

If she truly thought she was in her own home - was she not in the right to view him as a threat (i.e., an intruder) and defend herself?
 
ONE LOVE said:
OK just to play devil's advocate - how about the Stand Your Ground Law?

You're allowed to use force (even deadly force) to protect yourself in your own home?

If she truly thought she was in her own home - was she not in the right to view him as a threat (i.e., an intruder) and defend herself?
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The stand your ground law has limits.

Otherwise I could just go around shooting anyone I want whenever I want and simply say I felt like they were a threat.


The person has to be an actual threat not just a perceived threat by the shooter.
This victim wasn't a threat even if the shooter thought he was, he still wasn't. What goes on in her mind doesn't equal reality.
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fishonjazz said:
The stand your ground law has limits.

Otherwise I could just go around shooting anyone I want whenever I want and simply say I felt like they were a threat.


The person has to be an actual threat not just a perceived threat by the shooter.
This victim wasn't a threat even if the shooter thought he was, he still wasn't. What goes on in her mind doesn't equal reality.
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Yeah for sure, however, picture someone alone in his/her own home. If he/she is startled by an intruder (i.e., not someone you're familiar with and has no business being in your house), can you shoot?
 
ONE LOVE said:
Yeah for sure, however, picture someone alone in his/her own home. If he/she is startled by an intruder (i.e., not someone you're familiar with and has no business being in your house), can you shoot?
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In this instance the victim could have shot the shooter under the stand your ground law.
Doesn't work the other way though.

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Also something interesting that may or may not help her in this case is that she was sexting someone she was involved with while she was walking to her apartment... which may explain why she went into the wrong apartment on the wrong floor.
 
As long as the prosecution doesn't get cute an try as murder 1, should be a pretty easy conviction.
 
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ONE LOVE said:
So this is the case of a policewoman who, after a shift, went home to her apartment, but got into the wrong apartment (i.e, the same position but on the wrong floor), and shot the owner of the apartment in the heart (victim's an African American sitting at home watching TV and eating ice cream).

Was it self defense? (i.e., she thought the guy was an intruder in her home)

Or was it negligent killing? (apparently policeman are trained to shoot first shoot at the leg)

Did she use racial profiling to determine that he's a threat? (i.e., he's black so he's dangerous)

https://www.vox.com/identities/2019...las-police-officer-trial-partner-texts-rivera

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Honestly, it's kind of offensive to ask if it was self defense. At best, it was complete and utter despicable.

She ****ing murdered someone by her incompetence.


**** that bitch. Lock her up.
 
Archie Moses said:
Honestly, it's kind of offensive to ask if it was self defense. At best, it was complete and utter despicable.

She ****ing murdered someone by her incompetence.


**** that bitch. Lock her up.
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LOL .. we'll see man, apparently the DA is so hell bent on getting a conviction he even broke a gag order and spoke to the press. Luckily it didn't lead to a mistrial.
 
framer said:
As long as the prosecution doesn't get cute an try as murder 1, should be a pretty easy conviction.
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In Texas apparently they don't have a 'First Degree Murder', but rather a catch-all 'Capital Murder' ... so they wouldn't have been going for murder 1 or 2 ...

What I know is the DA upgraded this from the original manslaughter charge to a murder charge.
 
ONE LOVE said:
OK just to play devil's advocate - how about the Stand Your Ground Law?

You're allowed to use force (even deadly force) to protect yourself in your own home?

If she truly thought she was in her own home - was she not in the right to view him as a threat (i.e., an intruder) and defend herself?
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Even if she thought that, her **** up took an innocent life in his own home.

**** her incompetence.
 
One time at college I walked into the women’s room on accident... true story
 
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