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I'd say murder, because she did have "malice aforethought," even though it was a split second before. She meant to kill the guy.
 
ONE LOVE said:
Also interesting is the fact that she was 'off duty' by the time she got home (even though she was still wearing police uniform).

The defense will be trying to say that she should be treated as any normal civilian as she's off duty and therefore her police duties and training should not be counted against her.

Ethically - should she be treated any differently to other people just because she's had police training and such?

Are you telling me that I'm more prone to being convicted of a murder just because I'm a policeman?

Is that fair?
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It's an excuse, and counter to what happens when police are on duty (when they very rarely get charged with murder/manslaughter, even in cases of obvious negligence).
 
Rubashov said:
Nonsense. The man was armed with an ice cream! Imagine the damage he'd have done with some salad tongs or an oversized dildo!
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He might have had all that stuff. Did they check every orifice? Don't judge people for how they spend their nights off.
 
ONE LOVE said:
Well a 'mistake' he made then.
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That's just it, it wasn't a mistake either. It isn't a mistake on your part if you drive through a green light like you are supposed to and some drunk runs the red going the other way and smashes into your car and kills you. Stop victim blaming.
 
LogGrad98 said:
That's just it, it wasn't a mistake either. It isn't a mistake on your part if you drive through a green light like you are supposed to and some drunk runs the red going the other way and smashes into your car and kills you. Stop victim blaming.
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LOL .. how am I victim blaming?

So nobody should lock their doors at night and 'hope for the best?'

How is that prudent?

Do you not lock your doors at night?
 
ONE LOVE said:
LOL .. how am I victim blaming?

So nobody should lock their doors at night and 'hope for the best?'

How is that prudent?

Do you not lock your doors at night?
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Didn't say what was prudent but by saying not locking his door was "wrong" or a "mistake" then you assign him some of the blame. He is 100% blameless. Sure it would have been better that night if he had locked his door but getting murdered isn't the punishment for making the egregious mistake of leaving your door unlocked.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Didn't say what was prudent but by saying not locking his door was "wrong" or a "mistake" then you assign him some of the blame. He is 100% blameless. Sure it would have been better that night if he had locked his door but getting murdered isn't the punishment for making the egregious mistake of leaving your door unlocked.
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LOL .. we're not living in a fantasy land here mate, you don't lock the doors, you run the risk.

Simple as that.
 
ONE LOVE said:
LOL .. we're not living in a fantasy land here mate, you don't lock the doors, you run the risk.

Simple as that.
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So if you don't, you deserve to be killed, right? I mean you screwed up, so you need to be punished for it. Murder only seems fair. Right mate?
 
ONE LOVE said:
LOL .. we're not living in a fantasy land here mate, you don't lock the doors, you run the risk.

Simple as that.
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I have a relative who's been in jail for some years, and hopes to overturn his conviction still. Prisons are inhumane and cruel. We talk about putting people in there pretty glibly.

In Utah, the code specifies the basis for each grade of charge quite closely. I don't think this is murder. Negligent homicide. Manslaughter.

If it goes to murder it will be because she did not back out, get to safe place, and call the cops.... well.... other cops. Not a stand your ground case.... it wasn't "her ground". It was his.

She was likely very tired, and distracted by the damn phone texting. I feel sorry for her about 10% as much as I feel sorry for the man.

Her job as an armed policeman is over. She is likely no threat to anyone now. She is likely mentally stable. Let's not throw her in prison. Time served, community service, probation.... meaning someone keeping track of how she is doing.

Not a case of impudent police misconduct, a case of a person who makes no claim of special rights. It costs a lot to keep people in concrete boxes while guards hover everywhere. Let's not waste our money on a case that is punishment enough for the cop just to live with.
 
LogGrad98 said:
So if you don't, you deserve to be killed, right? I mean you screwed up, so you need to be punished for it. Murder only seems fair. Right mate?
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It's just simple personal responsibility. You can go walk in the rain and not use any umbrella and get sick and die, but we know to use umbrella.

If you're gonna ride in a motorcycle you wear a helmet. Not everyone on the road is out there to kill you, but you know to be careful cos you just never know who's gonna cut in front of you.

Sometimes accidents happen such as this case. Did Amber walk out of her car thinking she'll kill someone? No. But unfortunately it happened.
 
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