Amber Guyger Trial Starts...

[The Midnight]

I have a relative who's been in jail for some years, and hopes to overturn his conviction still. Prisons are inhumane and cruel. We talk about putting people in there pretty glibly.

In Utah, the code specifies the basis for each grade of charge quite closely. I don't think this is murder. Negligent homicide. Manslaughter.

If it goes to murder it will be because she did not back out, get to safe place, and call the cops.... well.... other cops. Not a stand your ground case.... it wasn't "her ground". It was his.

She was likely very tired, and distracted by the damn phone texting. I feel sorry for her about 10% as much as I feel sorry for the man.

Her job as an armed policeman is over. She is likely no threat to anyone now. She is likely mentally stable. Let's not throw her in prison. Time served, community service, probation.... meaning someone keeping track of how she is doing.

Not a case of impudent police misconduct, a case of a person who makes no claim of special rights. It costs a lot to keep people in concrete boxes while guards hover everywhere. Let's not waste our money on a case that is punishment enough for the cop just to live with.

Yeah I think it's gonna be somewhere between Manslaughter and Murder. I don't think you can get 12 people to go for Murder, so most likely it'll be Manslaughter.

But I don't know if that'll be enough for the family of the victim.. sadly.

 

[One Brow]

LOL .. how am I victim blaming?

So nobody should lock their doors at night and 'hope for the best?'

I usually don't lock my doors until I actually go to bed. He was up watching TV.

 

[One Brow]

I'll say right now I expect a verdict of not guilty, and will be pleasantly surprised if she is convicted.

 

[One Brow]

It's just simple personal responsibility. You can go walk in the rain and not use any umbrella and get sick and die, but we know to use umbrella.

You need to lock your door so no one walks in and shoots you for no reason? What type of paranoid are you?

 

[JazzGal]

But in that spit section did she fear the intruder also?

If she is afraid of a guy eating a bowl of ice cream in a recliner before she even processes the situation, she has no business being a cop.


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[NUMBERICA]

Yeah it's a tricky one...

Only because she’s part of the power structure.

 

[bigb]

I usually don't lock my doors until I actually go to bed. He was up watching TV.

Same. The last thing I do before I go to bed is lock the doors. Before then, it's pointless. My kids are coming and going constantly. I have a teenager and a 12 year old, plus all the other little crap heads that go in and out 100,000,000 times a day. If I'm walking past a door that's unlocked and everyone is in for the night, I'll lock it, but that rarely is the case before I go to bed.

 

[bigb]

You need to lock your door so no one walks in and shoots you for no reason? What type of paranoid are you?

The crazy type. He's not all there.

 

[The Midnight]

You need to lock your door so no one walks in and shoots you for no reason? What type of paranoid are you?

Um,.. you did see what happened in this case right?

Also there are other reasons for doing so.

 

[The Midnight]

I usually don't lock my doors until I actually go to bed. He was up watching TV.

I bet his family's regretting he didn't lock the door that night.

 

[The Midnight]

Same. The last thing I do before I go to bed is lock the doors. Before then, it's pointless. My kids are coming and going constantly. I have a teenager and a 12 year old, plus all the other little crap heads that go in and out 100,000,000 times a day. If I'm walking past a door that's unlocked and everyone is in for the night, I'll lock it, but that rarely is the case before I go to bed.

Do you live in an apartment also? Different circumstances when you're living with hundreds of people within a smaller radius vs living in a house in the suburb.

 

[JazzGal]

It's different living in an apartment complex than living in a single family home. I always kept my apartment doors locked for the reason that too often people try to come into the wrong apartment. I've had drunk people banging on the door, angry because they can't get in. I've had children try to get in when they get confused as to which one is theirs (or their friends). I saw no reason to make it easier for someone to come in. I was also a woman living alone, so it seemed the safer decision.

I'm not blaming people for not locking their doors. I'm just surprised how many people living in apartments do not. I'm also surprised how many people do not lock their cars. To each their own.

 

[The Midnight]

The crazy type. He's not all there.

Straight to personal attack? Expected no less from you though.

 

[JazzGal]

Mistaken house identity occurs as well. Several years ago, my brother and I were in my mother's basement watching TV. My mother was sleeping in her room upstairs. We had not locked the front door as my brother was planning to leave soon. Suddenly my mother ran downstairs screaming that a man had just been in her room. He was standing at the foot of her bed. She was so frightened she couldn't scream. The man was also startled, murmured that he was at the wrong house, and quickly left. We later found out that he was a houseguest at a neighbors, had had permission to walk into the house upon his late arrival, and had gotten the address wrong. We keep the door locked now.

 

[The Midnight]

It's different living in an apartment complex than living in a single family home. I always kept my apartment doors locked for the reason that too often people try to come into the wrong apartment. I've had drunk people banging on the door, angry because they can't get in. I've had children try to get in when they get confused as to which one is theirs (or their friends). I saw no reason to make it easier for someone to come in. I was also a woman living alone, so it seemed the safer decision.

I'm not blaming people for not locking their doors. I'm just surprised how many people living in apartments do not. I'm also surprised how many people do not lock their cars. To each their own.

Agreed. It's such a different living environment. You can never be too careful.

Here in Christchurch, NZ, I've gone days where I forgot to lock my doors and no problem whatsoever. The next house from us is at least a football field away. But I also have a condo in Bangkok where I go for vacation each year. It's a 40 floor building with 700+ rooms, and there I'll usually lock the door as soon as I walk in.

There was an incident where a drunk man was trying to get in this woman's apartment at like 2 in the morning and she had to call security on him, luckily she had her door locked. They had to go look at the security camera to try and find out what happened the following day.

Apparently it was some korean tourists who were renting in 1 of the apartment and got drunk and were just running around knocking on everyone's door. Stupid stuff like that happens all the time.

 

[bigb]

Do you live in an apartment also? Different circumstances when you're living with hundreds of people within a smaller radius vs living in a house in the suburb.

Currently? No. Have I? Yes. Were my habits the same? Yes.

 

[bigb]

Straight to personal attack? Expected no less from you though.

Glad I can live up to your expectations. Do I get a gold star to take home?
In truth, I don't think you're all there. It's not a personal attack.

 

[The Midnight]

Currently? No. Have I? Yes. Were my habits the same? Yes.

And what you do is 'Best Practice' and trumps everyone else's way of doing things?

 

[The Midnight]

Glad I can live up to your expectations. Do I get a gold star to take home?
In truth, I don't think you're all there. It's not a personal attack.

Do you go around calling people 'You're not all there' just because their opinions differ from you?

Easy to just throw rocks at people who are different I guess right?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I have a relative who's been in jail for some years, and hopes to overturn his conviction still. Prisons are inhumane and cruel. We talk about putting people in there pretty glibly.

In Utah, the code specifies the basis for each grade of charge quite closely. I don't think this is murder. Negligent homicide. Manslaughter.

If it goes to murder it will be because she did not back out, get to safe place, and call the cops.... well.... other cops. Not a stand your ground case.... it wasn't "her ground". It was his.

She was likely very tired, and distracted by the damn phone texting. I feel sorry for her about 10% as much as I feel sorry for the man.

Her job as an armed policeman is over. She is likely no threat to anyone now. She is likely mentally stable. Let's not throw her in prison. Time served, community service, probation.... meaning someone keeping track of how she is doing.

Not a case of impudent police misconduct, a case of a person who makes no claim of special rights. It costs a lot to keep people in concrete boxes while guards hover everywhere. Let's not waste our money on a case that is punishment enough for the cop just to live with.

Are you this forgiving/understanding if it was someone that was close to you that was shot? Tired and distracted is not a good excuse for walking into the wrong residence and shooting someone. Her training and experience also works against her in this case. If I am a tax pro and commit tax fraud on my individual return it would be tough to say it was an accident or just ignorance.

This ain't no whoopsie daisy accident... letting her off with a slap on the wrist is pretty disrespectful to the deceased and his family/friends.