That would be sad if Al went for only $2-4mm on waivers. I'd bet someone would pick up at least $8mm of it, especially since they'd only have to try him out for a year. I think even Dallas would show some interest.
Amnesty Bell?
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That would be sad if Al went for only $2-4mm on waivers. I'd bet someone would pick up at least $8mm of it, especially since they'd only have to try him out for a year. I think even Dallas would show some interest.
billyshelby
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I don't think the low figure is a reflection on Al. Kind of depends on when Al would get amnestied. If teams have spent their FA money, then there wouldn't be a lot left over for bids. But my figures could be very wrong since most teams that were going to exercise their amnesty already did last year. This offseason, the only guy I can think of that is a likely amnesty candidate is Haywood. So Al would probably be very coveted as an amnesty guy if that happened.
carolinajazz
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...or pay him!!!
You don't waste a one-time only amnesty on a $3 million dollar expiring contract. Better off waiving him or buying him out. Utah, I don't think, has ever done either. They don't pay guys not to play, unless they're injured or benchwarmers. Expiring contracts are valuable and Utah might be able to get something for him, even a 2nd round pick or draft rights to someone that is never coming to the NBA like they did with Harpring.
Gyp Rosetti
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They paid him not to play this year.
Dallas has to be under the salary cap at the time in order to bid. We all know they are going after DWill hard.
The point in amnestying Bell is that you get rid of a player who has become toxic to the chemistry without having to give up other resources to do so. Remember when they tried to get rid of Harpring's contract, they had to give up a budding PG in Maynor. If we were to amnesty Bell, sure we would still owe the 3.7 million (or whatever it is), but between that, CJ's contract that comes off the books, and the Okur TPE, we would have a large amount available to go get a decent player or two without being into the luxury tax. The Amnesty situation per the new CBA works this way...
Can only be used on a player that was with the team during the CBA negotiations AND can only be used on said player IF the contract was in effect at the time the CBA was negotiated.
Each team gets ONE free amnesty as per the CBA to use, or lose.
Trading Bell will not get us much, and anyone taking on his contract is going to want someone like Burkes, Hayward or another young player to accompany the deal to make it happen. Rather than wind up in a Maynor situation again, it seems to me that amnesty IS the best option. Besides, what would we get from another team for Bell, knowing that the salaries have to be somewhat close, even if you add in the TPE from the Okur deal, you still are not going to get much out of that. It may not be the ideal way to do business, but lets not forget that Bell has become toxic to the chemistry of the team. He is only worried about his own playing time. At the end of last season, he was all apologetic that he had played so poorly last year, and said that was an anomaly, and that it wouldnt happen again. Well he was right, he actually got worse, then whined about playing time, got sent home off a road trip due to attitude issues, and now this. He has stabbed this team in the back, and if Utah don't want him, there is almost no GM in the league that would take him. Utah has a history of being a patient team that works with its players and gives them many chances, so if Bell is being dumped, that says a lot to the other GM's.
There is no one else we would even use the amnesty on, and if we do not use it, we lose the ability soon with the fact that all the contracts will be turned over within 2 seasons. If we are going to get rid of Bell, personally I think this is the best way. No additional resources needed, and one problem child gone without getting someone elses problem child in return. But hey that is only my opinion.
Can only be used on a player that was with the team during the CBA negotiations AND can only be used on said player IF the contract was in effect at the time the CBA was negotiated.
Each team gets ONE free amnesty as per the CBA to use, or lose.
Trading Bell will not get us much, and anyone taking on his contract is going to want someone like Burkes, Hayward or another young player to accompany the deal to make it happen. Rather than wind up in a Maynor situation again, it seems to me that amnesty IS the best option. Besides, what would we get from another team for Bell, knowing that the salaries have to be somewhat close, even if you add in the TPE from the Okur deal, you still are not going to get much out of that. It may not be the ideal way to do business, but lets not forget that Bell has become toxic to the chemistry of the team. He is only worried about his own playing time. At the end of last season, he was all apologetic that he had played so poorly last year, and said that was an anomaly, and that it wouldnt happen again. Well he was right, he actually got worse, then whined about playing time, got sent home off a road trip due to attitude issues, and now this. He has stabbed this team in the back, and if Utah don't want him, there is almost no GM in the league that would take him. Utah has a history of being a patient team that works with its players and gives them many chances, so if Bell is being dumped, that says a lot to the other GM's.
There is no one else we would even use the amnesty on, and if we do not use it, we lose the ability soon with the fact that all the contracts will be turned over within 2 seasons. If we are going to get rid of Bell, personally I think this is the best way. No additional resources needed, and one problem child gone without getting someone elses problem child in return. But hey that is only my opinion.
So pretty much what I said in post #3 ... only, like, 900 more words.
freakazoid
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The Harpring situation doesn't apply here. That happened because we were in a position where we would have had to pay the LT. KOC managed to dump a gimpy Memo's 11 million contract without using the amnesty or giving up one of those players. Nobody is going to expect us to give up one of those players to dump Raja's 3.5 million, and it's not something that KOC would even consider. I don't think it's an absolute given that Utah wouldn't use the amnesty on Raja, but I think it's very unlikely, because they shouldn't need to. They should be able to unload him without using it. The only thing that bothers me about this, is that I have to believe our FO knew at the trade deadline that they were done with him. So then, why in the hell did they bring him back and play him for 17 minutes in the very last game of the season, only to bench him for the playoffs? It almost seems like they went out of their way to **** with his head, which is actually pretty awesome.
One thing that a lot of people overlook, is that teams can't use cap space, and then turn around and use their exceptions. In other words, Utah would have to renounce their 11 million TPE in order to use cap space this year.
To screw with his mind for trying to poison the locker room.
Are you sure that doesn't just apply to exceptions like the MLE?
freakazoid
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It applies to all exceptions. Exceptions are used to operate above the cap. Teams have to choose whether they want to use cap space, or use their exceptions. They can't use both.
https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q26
Which is stupid. So what if you hit the cap this year or last? Why does spending it all up front give you the advantage of an MLE? I understand the owners structure things this way to keep salaries down but this makes no sense to me.
Darkwing Duck
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They decided, with good reason (to avoid as many loopholes as possible), to ban exceptions and cap space across the board. One exception, and the one that means all other exceptions are banned, is the Bird rule. They banned this so you can't use cap space on a player, than sign your own player using Bird rights. Miami did this when the MLE was still usable after cap space, so they used it on players like Mike Miller and Shane Battier (hasn't worked out great for them), but I believe they closed that loophole.