As of today, is it fair to doubt the organization's commitment to the playoffs next year?

[seattlejazzfan]

It's not an either or for me with Burks or Harris... I want both. I think Burks is gonna have a great year and is signed very inexpensively. If he puts up numbers his trade value goes waaaay up.

If Harris wants to come we would have to bring him off the bench as a super sub... he would play a little less than 30 minutes per game and it would prolong his career. He'd be an important contributor on a winner and play with unselfish guys and the best rim protection in the NBA. If he isn't interested in that then go sign with the Knicks or Lakers and enjoy putting up stats on ****ty teams.

Totally confused by the Burks or Harris talk. Burks is a 2. Harris woulld be a replacement for Booker at the 3/4 spots.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Just because Masai won does not mean DL lost. 2 2nd rounders for a few months of Novak sounds like a winner to me. Win win

He won the war, but had a very minor loss in that battle. DL rallied by taking advantage of a different GM... I'm not saying don't call him, but hang up immediately when he starts doing his negotiation voodoo.

 

[Siro]

Totally confused by the Burks or Harris talk too. Burks is a 2. Harris woulld be a replacement for Booker at the 3/4 spots.

Not necessarily. Harris would get most minutes at 3, and spot minutes at the 4 if needed. Hayward would get minutes at the 2, and some at the 3, while Hood backs him up at the 2. Unless Burks is moved to the 1, there aren't enough minutes to spread around.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Not necessarily. Harris would get most minutes at 3, and spot minutes at the 4 if needed. Hayward would get minutes at the 2, and some at the 3, while Hood backs him up at the 2. Unless Burks is moved to the 1, there aren't enough minutes to spread around.

Harris is a 3/4. Booker is a 3/4. If Harris is on the team, the Jazz either simply don't re-sign Booker or Booker never sees the floor. Harris is simply a better player who gets all Booker's minutes. Harris is Favors primary back up. Harris takes all of Booker's minutes and Lyles would be impacted as well.

Would look something like this:

Favors plays 25 minutes at PF, 10 minutes at C.
Harris plays 23 minutes at PF, 5 minutes at SF.

 

[VINYLONE]

No. Because we have a lot of talent already at every position and we want to develop them and go to the playoffs with them, and we believe we can, and we believe in them.

/thread

I'd have to agree with the board clown. It's hard to argue with this post, especially considering the trajectory of the team after the all-star game.

 

[Siro]

Harris is a 3/4. Booker is a 3/4. If Harris is on the team, the Jazz either simply don't re-sign Booker or Booker never sees the floor. Harris is simply a better player who gets all Booker's minutes. Harris is Favors primary back up. Harris takes all of Booker's minutes and Lyles would be impacted as well.

Would look something like this:

Favors plays 25 minutes at PF, 10 minutes at C.
Harris plays 23 minutes at PF, 5 minutes at SF.

Booker is mainly a 4. Harris is mainly a 3. Booker getting 20 mpg is fine. Harris getting 20 mpg is garbage. I am talking about a realistic situation. A borderline All Star who makes a leap each year is not coming over to play back up at the 4.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Not necessarily. Harris would get most minutes at 3, and spot minutes at the 4 if needed. Hayward would get minutes at the 2, and some at the 3, while Hood backs him up at the 2. Unless Burks is moved to the 1, there aren't enough minutes to spread around.

I think Harris' big benefit would be at the 4... I'd want him on the floor for the 16ish minutes that Favs isn't playing 4. Then he could get 12ish minutes at 3. I doubt he goes for it... teams with cash are losing out on the big guys and he'll likely move into one of those spots. Lakers, Dallas, and maybe Indiana might look better and might offer max.

 

[Siro]

I think Harris' big benefit would be at the 4... I'd want him on the floor for the 16ish minutes that Favs isn't playing 4. Then he could get 12ish minutes at 3. I doubt he goes for it... teams with cash are losing out on the big guys and he'll likely move into one of those spots. Lakers, Dallas, and maybe Indiana might look better and might offer max.

I am not convinced that he's strong enough to defend the 4, but I agree that his floor spacing ability makes up for any defensive shortcomings. But like I said, Harris will need to get paid big and play big minutes. He's not coming over otherwise.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Booker is mainly a 4. Harris is mainly a 3. Booker getting 20 mpg is fine. Harris getting 20 mpg is garbage. I am talking about a realistic situation. A borderline All Star who makes a leap each year is not coming over to play back up at the 4.

Harris isn't mainly a 3 or 4, he can play both. Not sure where you are getting the 20 mpg, however. In my scenario, he gets 28 - could even go to 30 if Favors bumps up to 12 or 13 minutes at C for Gobert's rest.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'd have to agree with the board clown. It's hard to argue with this post, especially considering the trajectory of the team after the all-star game.

Until the first week in the season and we lose one guy to injury and then all of a sudden we don't have as much talent as we thought. When 100% healthy a couple guys are gonna lose a few minutes. SA... the smartest team in the league has one player who plays more than 30 minutes a night. I'd rather have our core guys playing less during the season and then letting playoff matchup dictate minutes.

End of season hayward was dinged up... Favors was too... maybe playing a few less minutes might help us come into the playoffs completely healthy.

 

[Siro]

Harris isn't mainly a 3 or 4, he can play both. Not sure where you are getting the 20 mpg, however. In my scenario, he gets 28 - could even go to 30 if Favors bumps up to 12 or 13 minutes at C for Gobert's rest.

It's possible I suppose. He's currently in the top 10 in minutes played. Either way, it's not like the Jazz are going to sign him. I don't want to invest emotionally in an unlikely scenario.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

It's possible I suppose. He's currently in the top 10 in minutes played. Either way, it's not like the Jazz are going to sign him. I don't want to invest emotionally in an unlikely scenario.

I was just about to go that route as well if this discussion would have continuted much longer. Harris isn't walking through that door.

 

[NAOS]

Until the first week in the season and we lose one guy to injury and then all of a sudden we don't have as much talent as we thought. When 100% healthy a couple guys are gonna lose a few minutes. SA... the smartest team in the league has one player who plays more than 30 minutes a night. I'd rather have our core guys playing less during the season and then letting playoff matchup dictate minutes.

End of season hayward was dinged up... Favors was too... maybe playing a few less minutes might help us come into the playoffs completely healthy.

sorry brough. too many cakks and pies

 

[Stoked]

He won the war, but had a very minor loss in that battle. DL rallied by taking advantage of a different GM... I'm not saying don't call him, but hang up immediately when he starts doing his negotiation voodoo.

Opinion. A 2nd rounder for Novak to sit at the end of our bench during a rebuild is a win to me. Add trading Novak for another 2nd rounder... icing.

 

[olden_undercover]

Letting the cake bake is not only an ok strategy..... It might be the only option since the free agents mostly either stayed in good situations with their own teams or saw good opportunities on other teams and got overpaid.

Reading through everyone's comments, I think this single statement by fish hits the nail on the head. NAOS, I'm sure your question was really just meant to spark a great conversation-- and it created one of the better threads in recent memory, imo-- and not imply that the FO hasn't done its due diligence in terms of pursuing free agents that would add the depth needed to make/contend in the playoffs. But the implication is there nonetheless, and is kind of at the heart of the point I want to make.

Personally, I'm of the belief that DL & Co. have no misconceptions about what they are working with here in Utah. We've all heard them tell the media they are going after free agents aggressively, and feel like they have a "story to tell" about what a great place this is to play and live, the legacy of the team, etc. That's nice, and I love it here myself, but... they aren't fools, and they know exactly how this franchise compares to those in other markets-- especially in the eyes of the players across the league. So what do they do with that? Well, to say that they're ambivalent about making the playoffs is to infer that they don't even bother pursuing and making substantial offers to <insert your favorite free agents>-- that they give up, or make half-assed inquiries. Since we're speculating about conversations that may or may not be happening behind the scenes, though, isn't the more likely assumption that the Jazz reached out to the agent of every player mentioned in this thread so far, and got a flat "no thanks"? I think so. And I think every fan in this market with half a brain has to concede that as the most likely scenario. I also think they're doing literally everything they can, and rather than signing the Kawhis of the league, they find themselves mining the D League for another DMC, hoping to sign another Trevor Booker, etc.

It may be frustrating as a fan to accept we can't blame a lackluster free agency period on anything other than being the ugly girl hoping for a date to the prom, but shouldn't we be used to it by now? Some of you have bought your pretty little dresses and had your hair done for weeks now, apparently. I feel for you, and I hope you are cool with watching reruns. The really raw truth here is that DL knows what he's working with. Fortunately, he's the kind of guy that likes this kind of challenge, because he's seen the puzzle get solved in other places, and he is convinced he can do the same. To which I say, Thank God.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Opinion. A 2nd rounder for Novak to sit at the end of our bench during a rebuild is a win to me. Add trading Novak for another 2nd rounder... icing.

Wait so if we don't include Novak they won't give us another 2nd rounder? Novak was part of the penalty... we could have moved him alone when FA started this year but it would have cost us a pick.

Also, everything on here is opinion... imo that raps jazz trade does not go in our win column, but it is such a minor deal.

History tells us Massai always wins. Look at his Bargnani trade for hells sake.

 

[Stoked]

Wait so if we don't include Novak they won't give us another 2nd rounder? Novak was part of the penalty... we could have moved him alone when FA started this year but it would have cost us a pick.

Also, everything on here is opinion... imo that raps jazz trade does not go in our win column, but it is such a minor deal.

History tells us Massai always wins. Look at his Bargnani trade for hells sake.

Good for Massai, he can win them all as long as DL wins his gambles, which he has imo.

All im saying.

 

[♪alt13]

Jazz should throw 4 years 60 million @ Harris. 15 Million is a lot today but it will be a bargain in a year and a steal in 2. Throw it out before anyone else does and give him an hour to sign it.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Jazz should throw 4 years 60 million @ Harris. 15 Million is a lot today but it will be a bargain in a year and a steal in 2. Throw it out before anyone else does and give him an hour to sign it.

He won't get an offer... unless its a sign and trade until July 7th or 8th... maybe the 9th... don't want the Magic to have a whole week to figure out if they want to match.

 

[VINYLONE]

Who cares about next year-- anyone who thinks that the Jazz of the DL-era isn't committed to bringing a championship to Utah is frankly, and I mean this honestly, stupid.

At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

Yo Dal! Speak on it!