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At what price will the Jazz not match Hayward's contract?

Crawlnstall said:
Am I the only one that is more concerned with the amount of years we sign Hayward for, and not quite worried as much about the cash? Seems like most of the bad deals are based on high amount of years to go along with a high salary
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The most years Hayward can get through FA is 4. The money is irrelevant in this case, because by the time we need Hayward's money, his deal will be over. I stand by my statement that if the Jazz get their "guy" (Parker, Embiid, Wiggins, whoever they feel will be a superstar) then you keep Hayward. If they don't get their "guy" then let him walk, and prepare for another bad season.
 
Another reason to make sure you lose this year. If you don't, and you end up with the 7th or 8th pick, then you have to tank again next year, unless you want to get stuck as a 6-10 seed in the West. Do it right the first time, and we won't have to lose another season.

Fall in love with this little winning streak and you accomplished nothing.
 
Core4 said:
I can't believe how many are counting on getting Jabari or Wiggins. We are NOT going to finish with the worst or second worst record, unless injuries occur or the Jazz get lucky in the lottery (those are not great odds, BTW). Jazz are barely hanging on to the 2nd worst record after playing a horrific schedule with no PG. Burke is now healthy, the schedule has lightened up and the Jazz are playing better than a lot of teams in the EC. If the current trend continues, the Jazz will end up in the 8th position. Best case, IMO, is 5th/6th. So no franchise player in the draft. Perhaps a future all-star, but no superstar. And sorry, I just don't see Favors and Burke as the 2nd and 3rd members of a "Big 3." Lindsey needs to go out and find a 1st or 2nd option somehow (provided that draft pick becomes one as well).
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Which is exactly why the FO needs to make some **** happen. It's not too late to fight for the record necessary to give the Jazz the best chance at that star. Green said it best, you **** up this year by getting jumpy for wins and you might have to go through a similar season with a much worse draft class (star/savior wise) next year.
 
And Hayward is a ****load of whatever. If the Jazz can get a nice asset (that isn't yet a nice player) out of trading Hayward, it's pretty much a no-brainer to me. Kill two birds with one stone (the Jazz's record and avoiding losing him for nothing/overpaying/worrying about free agency).

I'd like him to be around for a price that's suitable to his role on a real team ($10 mil/year at most), but I'm not sure that happens.
 
Core4 said:
Problem is, the Jazz CAN'T sign a better player in the off-season. All things being equal, almost all FA's choose another destination. Jazz got Boozer over Denver; I'll admit that was a coup. Okur 3came as the result of overpaying an unproven player and offering too much for Detroit to match. It was a HUGE gamble. But what other quality FA's has Utah acquired in the past 10 years? Matching an offer for Hayward means we get him at market value. Going after other FA's almost assuredly means Lindsey has to significantly overpay to get them to sign a contract with the Jazz vs. any other team.
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Well we had 3 overpaid guys then the Dwill ExtenZe... hard to get good players when youve chunked big bucks into your starting 4 like that, AND we were in the LT too.

And then.. it was Dev Harris, Jefferdad, Sap, Kiri, Rajas zombie, Memos corpse.. other little contracts.. then mo willie and Wet Bandito..

Never had an opportunity to sign a free agent since that tine.. until last offseason. I still think wed have obtained OJ Mayo, and a couple others.until we decided we were going to be playing to lose this year.
 
NUMBERICA said:
And Hayward is a ****load of whatever. If the Jazz can get a nice asset (that isn't yet a nice player) out of trading Hayward, it's pretty much a no-brainer to me. Kill two birds with one stone (the Jazz's record and avoiding losing him for nothing/overpaying/worrying about free agency).

I'd like him to be around for a price that's suitable to his role on a real team ($10 mil/year at most), but I'm not sure that happens.
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BTMFW:

Anyone check out how many picks Phoenix and Boston (even before they milk blood out of the Knicks' exhausted teet for Rondo) have laying around? Not to mention Charlotte?

Perfect trading partners.

Here's a nice resource: https://www1.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
 
NUMBERICA said:
Which is exactly why the FO needs to make some **** happen. It's not too late to fight for the record necessary to give the Jazz the best chance at that star. Green said it best, you **** up this year by getting jumpy for wins and you might have to go through a similar season with a much worse draft class (star/savior wise) next year.
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Players rarely go without the offer they are seeking. The reason for that is there are far too few difference makers that wants to play for non glamour markets. Therefore it forces teams in less desirable markets to gamble on someone like Hayward. On top of that the way UFA is structured they have to offer something that they strongly feel the current team won't match or that team is wasting their efforts.
 
Getting ATL's rights to swap with Brooklyn could end up alright, especially if Brooklyn keeps this bonehead Kidd on.
 
Gameface said:
Gordon has been inconsistent for 4 years now. What more proof do we need that he's inconsistent and that mental pressure gets to him?

I'm ready to lock in my answer.
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Unfortunately I agree with this, 4 years of this means it's not an accident, but with that said he is becoming an elite rebounder, and is an improving playmaker, and would like to see what he does with a superstar wing next to him.

With an Allstar wing next to him I think he can afford to be inconsistent with his shot as long as he's playing solid defense and getting easier looks for teamates. Obviously he's not in the right situation now being the go to guy. Put Matthews in this situation, and he fails as well.

I still say he can be an Allstar, never saw him as the main go to scorer. Put a Parker or Wiggins next to him, and suddenly defenses aren't going after him, and he would thrive I believe.
 
franklin said:
I would take Korver the role player over Hayward the expensive role player shooting 20% from outside.
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He's doing that because he's the #1 option on this team for scoring. That's not who he is. Put a stud wing next to him or stud offensive big next to him, and I wouldn't blink or hesitate at giving him 10-11 million t

Think 15/6/6 numbers at around 38-40% behind the 3 line.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
He's doing that because he's the #1 option on this team for scoring. That's not who he is. Put a stud wing next to him or stud offensive big next to him, and I wouldn't blink or hesitate at giving him 10-11 million
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This makes absolutely no logical sense...so the Jazz supposedly offered $40M/4 yrs to Hayward, knowing he would be the #1 option this season. Then he proves he can't handle that responsibility, but somehow he still should be rewarded with the same money (or more) to be a #2, 3, or 4th option on the team? Geez, I wish that's how it worked in the real world, I'd ask for a demotion with less responsibility while keeping my pay the same.
 
akirac73 said:
This makes absolutely no logical sense...so the Jazz supposedly offered $40M/4 yrs to Hayward, knowing he would be the #1 option this season. Then he proves he can't handle that responsibility, but somehow he still should be rewarded with the same money (or more) to be a #2, 3, or 4th option on the team? Geez, I wish that's how it worked in the real world, I'd ask for a demotion with less responsibility while keeping my pay the same.
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Dude, the same? Aim high...and to the right, like Hayward has been doing.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
He's doing that because he's the #1 option on this team for scoring. That's not who he is. Put a stud wing next to him or stud offensive big next to him, and I wouldn't blink or hesitate at giving him 10-11 million t

Think 15/6/6 numbers at around 38-40% behind the 3 line.
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I didn't say he wasn't worth $10mm or whatever, just that I would not pay a role player that kind of doe if I were in the Jazz' position. If you're Portland then you can match Batum's expensive contract because your owner is a mega-billionaire. If you're Utah then you have to spend the money a little wiser.


Portland is a good comparison if you want to build a contender:

Trey <<<< Lilliard
Burks <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Matthews
Hayward < Batum
Favors <<< Aldridge
Lopez << Kanter

That team is at $63mm with Aldridge on a cheaper deal than his next will be and Lilliard on a rookie scale. The team is superior in talent at every position. It's also not likely to be a championship contender with a salary structure that's probably going to be somewhere around $75mm in a couple years.

The Jazz cannot afford to pay Hayward like Portland paid Batum. Korver is a more efficient scorer and slightly better defender and cheaper. That's who I would pay if I were the Jazz.
 
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