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August 20:Big Match Turkey&Germany-Enes Kanter&Dirk Nowitzki match is starting now:) live Link here

jumpin bean said:
akmvp is a Kanter hater.he wanted the jazz to pick Valanciunis and was saying Kanter would be a bust.now that the jazz have picked Kanter he has been on other sites ripping Kanter and bragging up JV at every turn.if you want to get in a never ending backandforth just tell him that Kanter is better than JV.
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lol, I do not hate Kanter, where did you get this from? I may not be happy with the pick for the reasons I stated ( I think JV would have been better fit for the Jazz and better player in long run as Kanter's offensive game is basicly same as big AL's but not as polished ) but if I hate somebody it is O'Connor not Kanter. Kanter did not hold the gun near O'Connor's head forcing him to draft him. I would be happy and be first to admit being wrong if Kanter turns into all-star like you have predicted, lol.
 
Watching those extended highlights was very educational.watching hedo's number 1 pick in action ,hisfinger drive the lane right up his nose and straight up his nostril was a strong move anywhere.
 
Kanter looks like a slightly bigger, slightly more motored, slightly more springy version of Kevin Love here. He should be able to get double-doubles at the next level.
 
NUMBERICA said:
A thought I've had for quite a while now is that you might be BEST served to play two players that are legitimate PF/Cs instead of true, locked-in position players. If Kanter and Favors sniff their potential... other teams are going to have a lot of trouble, especially since Favors and Kanter's strengths and weaknesses seem to fit very nicely together on paper. With exception to passing, they both have an exceptionally long way to go there.

But getting more to the point, I agree that Kanter COULD really be a SERIOUS matchup problem if he can keep or even increase his agility.
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My feelings exactly.
 
AKMVP said:
Do you think Favors and Kanter would do better controling the paint then Okur and Boozer did? Because it is not big fives who were hurting us most but guards and wings who were penetrating in the paint and were meating zero resistance from our bigs as none of them had any shot blocking or help defense ability. I do believe Favors showed us some promise in that area but Kanter did not and there is no hope he will develop any shot blocking or above the rim defending ability. So far what I have seen in Kanters game he was slow to rotate and help during guard and wing penetration and reminded me Boozer a lot in those situations - I am not talking one on one defense I am speaking about help defense and protecting the rim. What Kanter seems to be capable of learning and maybe implementing in his game is Varejao/J.Collins type defense - move quick in position and take charge. Anyway it is just guessing game and with no season possibly it may take another year when we can check if our theories work in real game situation.
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Boozer = Slightly undersized PF, not Athletic
Okur = Slow footed C

Favors = Big, Quick, Athletic PF
Kanter = Quick Feet and Hustle

Defensively Favors and Kanter have potential to be better than Okur and Boozer, much better.
 
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orangello said:
Boozer = Slightly undersized PF, not Athletic
Okur = Slow footed C

Favors = Big, Quick, Athletic PF
Kater = Quick Feet and Hustle

Defensively Favors and Kanter have potential to be better than Okur and Boozer, much better.
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Kanter has the motor and the strength to keep most anyone from pushing their way inside. Favors has the athleticism to be an elite help defender.
 
orangello said:
Boozer = Slightly undersized PF, not Athletic
Okur = Slow footed C

Favors = Big, Quick, Athletic PF
Kater = Quick Feet and Hustle
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Favors not that much bigger then Boozer, one is listed at 6-10, 248lbs other at 6-9, 258lbs and Boozer is very athletic when he wants to. I have seen him dunk numerous times quite far from the basket jumping from both feet, not athletic players do not do that. Problem is he never showed any desire in playing defense or he just did not have any good defensive fundamentals or instincts. But I agree that Favors has much better defensive potential then Boozer for sure.
I am not sure about "quick feet and hustle" when it comes to defensive game of Kanter. Not convinced yet. Haven't seen him yet taking any charges or coming over from the weak side to help in those friendlies I saw, and his high school videos show exact opposite. We will need to see more of him and especially vs NBA talent players. Game vs Spain will be good indication if he gets minutes.
 
PKM said:
Kanter has the motor and the strength to keep most anyone from pushing their way inside. Favors has the athleticism to be an elite help defender.
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My feelings exactly. I know that Kanter has not come out and dominated like many (including myself) had hoped for but from what I have seen I am even more excited but in a different way. I hope you are right and that this lockout ends sooner than most anticipate.
 
I like the Love comparison. If Kanter hits it hard in the weigh room he can be among the league leaders in rebounding.
 
AKMVP said:
Favors not that much bigger then Boozer, one is listed at 6-10, 248lbs other at 6-9, 258lbs and Boozer is very athletic when he wants to. I have seen him dunk numerous times quite far from the basket jumping from both feet, not athletic players do not do that. Problem is he never showed any desire in playing defense or he just did not have any good defensive fundamentals or instincts. But I agree that Favors has much better defensive potential then Boozer for sure.
I am not sure about "quick feet and hustle" when it comes to defensive game of Kanter. Not convinced yet. Haven't seen him yet taking any charges or coming over from the weak side to help in those friendlies I saw, and his high school videos show exact opposite. We will need to see more of him and especially vs NBA talent players. Game vs Spain will be good indication if he gets minutes.
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Your hate is starting to make me feel ill. Boozer athletic? That is one workd that I would not use to describe his game at all. I am not a Boozer hater. I know this might seem crazy to some but a healthy Boozer is better than Chris Bosh for me. Boozer is very crafty and knows how to position himself to get rebounds. He also uses his strength very well. He is a lot of good things but he is not athletic at all.

PS Any PF in the league can have a highlight dunk here or there.
 
orangello said:
He is a lot of good things but he is not athletic at all.

PS Any PF in the league can have a highlight dunk here or there.
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ok, so our understanding of athletism is different then.... To me Boozer looks pretty damn athletic ( fast and explosive) in those plays here: Find me something like that from stiffs or non athletic players like J.Collins for example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DtqFj9Vq7E&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjyzpNNX5mc&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4pSidAZmD0&feature=related ( if Kanter ever has something like that elevating from two feet way outside of restricted area line then I will agree that he at least is as athletic as Boozer )
 
Well outside the 'two feet beyond the restricted area.' Finding a handful of nice dunks from a PF with years of experience is not sufficient evidence of good athleticism, imo. I don't find Boozer as overly athletic, but don't care to debate. I also don't find Enes as overly athletic, but rather a sufficient combination of size, bulk, strength, intellect, motor, and desire to compensate just fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO6clOC_9Dw
 
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well and that Kanter's dunk is way less athletic then any of Boozer's dunks. What was the point? Plus it is of one foot not two feet and nobody is defending it.
 
AKMVP said:
There is Boozer at the same age as Kanter... I can't understand how somebody can watch this video and all you can have from Kanter and call Kanter athletic and Boozer not...not objective folks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb-y-Tm32So&feature=related
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Reading comprehension not your strong point, I see. Oh well, I wasn't necessarily disagreeing because I lack the energy to debate the topic. Boozer's gone.
 
PKM said:
Reading comprehension not your strong point, I see. Oh well, I wasn't necessarily disagreeing because I lack the energy to debate the topic. Boozer's gone.
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That was not directed for you but for orangello
 
margodydek said:
Maybe I'm the only here who thought this, and maybe I should take off my Jazz goggles, but besides the first game I thought Kanter looked much quicker than I anticipated. I think Kanter can easily be a better help defender than both Boozer and Okur. I agree with you that he'll never be an "above the rim" defender, but Favors could be. So to answer your question, yes I think Favors and Kanter could do a better job defending the paint than Boozer/Okur.
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Defense is as much about desire as it is about quickness and talent. Boozer was capable of being a decent defender. Yes, he was smaller than a lot of PF's and it would have required a lot of effort. And that's where Boozer comes up short; he has no desire to work on defense, other than to push his opponent in the back in order to get better rebounding position. He saves his energy for the offensive end.

Favors and Kanter are very young and very raw. But Favors showed flashes of great defense last season. And Kanter has certainly talked the talk about playing physical. They also both have the size to match up against most bigs. I have no doubt the defense will be much improved as they develop and get more and more minutes.
 
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