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Australia offers to help USA with gun law reform.

MVP said:
Worked in Australia. Works in Japan.
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I mentioned "reasonable restrictions" as that is the only realistic approach on gun control in the U.S. short of a constitutional amendment altering the 2nd amendment, which is not going to happen. I agree that a general ban and confiscation would have a significant impact, but that's not on the table, at all.

Restrictions on things like magazine capacity, stock configuration, flash suppressors, accessory rails, etc. will do almost nothing about gun violence in the U.S..

A more robust background check system seems like a no-brainer, but will likely have very modest effect.
 
There is some misunderstanding of the 2nd amendment. It has only been defined as for private use since 2008. We only started thinking of it that way since the 70's. It has always been a militia thing not private thing until recently.
 
franklin said:
This Vegas incident seriously sucks for gun owners. You are never going to convince me that I can't own a handgun for protection reasons or that I should give up my hunting rifles (even England has that exemption IIRC), or even that recreational shooting should be outlawed (not a fan of doing it, but still). WTS, this shooting has a "gun nut" with an "addiction" re-thinking the whole debate and wondering if it is finally time to give them all up. I mean, the 2nd Amendment is partially antiquated for starters. There's no way in hell owning guns is protecting us against a military coup.

But the anti-gun crowd drives me nuts too. Most of them have no clue about what a gun is or does. They are the reason the NRA exists and has so much influence. When will people start to realize that fanaticism doesn't do any good? People like [MENTION=181]Ron Mexico[/MENTION] and Crappy Turd have pretty much dominated this thread with good points. Ron, whose prone to bleeding heart causes, killed it with his "hey, I own guns but come on already" stance. Nailed it. [MENTION=3073]JustTheTip[/MENTION] also made some solid points regarding the silencer discussion and was an excellent example of how the "other side" gets triggered and does themselves no favors. Listen to what the guy has to say and discuss it. Don't debate it from a slanted view.
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The Vegas incident kind of sucked for the 50 people who were slaughtered. But yeah, let's consider the poor gun owners
 
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franklin said:
This Vegas incident seriously sucks for gun owners. You are never going to convince me that I can't own a handgun for protection reasons or that I should give up my hunting rifles (even England has that exemption IIRC), or even that recreational shooting should be outlawed (not a fan of doing it, but still). WTS, this shooting has a "gun nut" with an "addiction" re-thinking the whole debate and wondering if it is finally time to give them all up. I mean, the 2nd Amendment is partially antiquated for starters. There's no way in hell owning guns is protecting us against a military coup.

But the anti-gun crowd drives me nuts too. Most of them have no clue about what a gun is or does. They are the reason the NRA exists and has so much influence. When will people start to realize that fanaticism doesn't do any good? People like [MENTION=181]Ron Mexico[/MENTION] and Crappy Turd have pretty much dominated this thread with good points. Ron, whose prone to bleeding heart causes, killed it with his "hey, I own guns but come on already" stance. Nailed it. [MENTION=3073]JustTheTip[/MENTION] also made some solid points regarding the silencer discussion and was an excellent example of how the "other side" gets triggered and does themselves no favors. Listen to what the guy has to say and discuss it. Don't debate it from a slanted view.
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Both sides get triggered. Everyone does. Clearly the pro gun crowd has got triggered as well, probably more so in this case. People have dug in even deeper in their beliefs. That's one of the problems we have right now with political debates.

Things need to change in my opinion but not just because of mass shootings like this one, there are bigger issues. I definitely don't think banning guns is the answer personally, as I have posted multiple times but I do think there are compromises that can and will help. My main point is actually enforcing laws that exist and eliminating loopholes. For example gun modifications are already illegal but companies are selling them. Background checks are required but not if you sell privately.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Both sides get triggered. Everyone does. Clearly the pro gun crowd has got triggered as well, probably more so in this case. People have dug in even deeper in their beliefs. That's one of the problems we have right now with political debates.

Things need to change in my opinion but not just because of mass shootings like this one, there are bigger issues. I definitely don't think banning guns is the answer personally, as I have posted multiple times but I do think there are compromises that can and will help. My main point is actually enforcing laws that exist and eliminating loopholes. For example gun modifications are already illegal but companies are selling them. Background checks are required but not if you sell privately.
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I think most if not all of the pro-gun crowd here is in communion. The only exception considerable is Justthetip's suppressor support but even that was very well reasoned and not fanatical.
 
franklin said:
I think most if not all of the pro-gun crowd here is in communion. The only exception considerable is Justthetip's suppressor support but even that was very well reasoned and not fanatical.
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What is that communion you are all in? And who are the pro gun folk?
 
Ron Mexico said:
What is that communion you are all in? And who are the pro gun folk?
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I think he was saying that the pro gun people (sometimes classified as gun nuts or gun lovers) in this thread agree with you that there is a problem and changes need to be made and current laws need to be enforced.

That's how I understood it.

I don't think he was calling you anti gun either, if you took it that way.
 
Ron Mexico said:
What is that communion you are all in? And who are the pro gun folk?
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When I was writing that I had you, me, Justthetip, Gameface, stoked, and Log in mind. Fish as well but he's so laid back that he can't really be called pro or anti gun. As for the first question, I'll let the responses of those on that list be the response.

*Edit* shouldn't have used pro-gun as it has a colloquial tag.
 
Juts look at your country. Disgusting

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts

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"In December 2012, a gunman walked into Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, and killed 20 children, six adults, and himself. Since then in USA there have been at least 1,518 mass shootings, with at least 1,715 people killed and 6,089 wounded."

But that is a price Franklin and other gun nuts are happy to pay so they could keep their killing toys at home.

Contrary in Australia since 1996, not a single one. Gun control baby!!!!
 
All the while the gorilla in the room laughs and laughs as everyone argues about the throw-pillows.
 
fgcamel said:
What is gun control like in each of the other countries?
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Obviously better than in USA. For example Swiss who have a large number of guns per capita ( only about 1/4 less then USA) - In order to purchase most weapons, the purchaser must obtain a weapon acquisition permit. Swiss citizens over the age of 18 who are not psychiatrically disqualified nor identified as posing security problems, and who have a clean criminal record can request such a permit. It allows the free purchase of semi-automatic, but not fully automatic, firearms by Swiss citizens and foreigners with permanent residence.Permits for concealed carrying in public are issued only extremely restrictively.
 
fgcamel said:
It's funny you say that, because while I was in LA last month one of my biggest shocks was that all the bars close at 2am. How are you supposed to maintain a solid drinking culture like that?
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Rubashov said:
Typical of these Americans really, more interested in shooting each other than having a good time together.
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Are you kidding? There's nothing better than getting drunk and busting some caps. Guns and booze go together like peanut butter and jelly.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
Are you kidding? There's nothing better than getting drunk and busting some caps. Guns and booze go together like peanut butter and jelly.
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Yep, and if often leads to rednecks throwing bullets in the fire in a rousing game of "redneck roulette". Helps clean up the gene pool some.
 
Murica!

[video=youtube_share;V0sdVMKQReM]https://youtu.be/V0sdVMKQReM

At some point, I expect somebody to blow up some big fuel tanks with one of these guns. Kind of surprised it's never happened, but it's probably because of how expensive they are. Your average, run of the mill lunatic most likely wouldn't be able to pay for one.

I read something about the police thinking the vegas shooter might have been targeting some tanks as well, but then they backed off the idea. I guess there were some tanks there that could have been shot at from his sniper nest.

I doubt there's a gun other than the one in the video that would penetrate a big tank, and you'd also have to have special rounds to ignite the fuel, but if somebody wanted to do it and could afford this gun, it would be pretty easy to pull off.
 
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