Baton Rouge Police Killing a 37-year-old black man at point blank range

[Saint Cy of JFC]

But this is the result not a symptom of the disease (underfunding).

You pay people like **** you're going to get ****. The same concept could be applied to our armed forces today. In large part, the majority of these guys are people who come from desperate situations, without college degrees, and couldn't do anything else. This isn't my political agenda but simple "looking at the demographics" of our armed forces

It's the same reason why our best athletes aren't doing swimming or soccer, but in the sports that really pay.

I hear the same crap, "well if teachers want more money then show me better results!"

How? By receiving less funding? By having fewer resources? By having less control? By having more micromanagement?

To me and other state employees the problem and solution is obvious. I ask those of you in this forum to put your political agendas aside and listen to those along the front lines.

In Utah, a starting teacher makes $30k. After 25+ years and a master's a teacher can hope to make $50-60k. Police officers salaries are very similar. The avg salary for a bachelor's degree in Utah is $45k. The avg starting salary in Utah for someone with a master's is $60k. So who in the right mind would would be wiling to take a 1/3rd pay cut? Why work 25 years and pay for your own master's when you'll hope to top out at what most are starting at?

Again, you pay public employees like **** don't expect to get the cream of the crop candidates.

To me and others at my school who have discussed this very issue at length, this is what's affecting our police officers around the country. Race? Of course it's a contributing factor. But the result of underfunding has resulted in overburdened and under compensated public employees. The symptom? Lower quality and quantity of candidates.

Why?

I would assume if you are getting your masters to become a teacher it's because you love teaching/really want to be a teacher.

Ask yourself, would you want to be a teacher or cop today? Making a whole $30k and dealing with the **** they have to deal with? Why not go into sales and make 6 digits and not have to deal with ****?

The median cop salary is 52K a year, I looked it up.

 

[bigb]

Is lack of respect a reason to get murdered? Are cops Scarface?

Of course not.
If you trwat someone with respect in your life, even someone who you don't like, are you more or less likely to get into an altercation with them? And then what are the odds it escalates from there?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Of course not.
If you trwat someone with respect in your life, even someone who you don't like, are you more or less likely to get into an altercation with them? And then what are the odds it escalates from there?

Of course, but the poor black areas of cities usually have very negative relations with cops that have heavy disrespect on both sides. I think cops should take more responsibility for fostering positive interactions within their communities.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

That's why I think there needs to be standard protocols for police/civilian interactions. Stuff that the police definitely know and that is taught in schools and a required part of driver's license testing. So that the public knows what their required actions are when given specific commands from the police. I think it's also important that all police instructions are given clearly as either legally required actions or voluntary. For instance, you are not always required to exit your vehicle if a police officer asks you to, but sometimes you are, and they are going to give you the same instruction either way. Same for questioning, generally you don't have to answer any questions. For instance, if I get pulled over for speeding and the officer asks me where I'm headed my response is "With all due respect, officer, I do not wish to discuss my itinerary." Same if asked why I think I got pulled over "Officer, I choose not to speculate." If asked to search my vehicle "Officer, as a matter of principle I do not volunteer to have my private property searched."

Yeah but you know cops are POS who abuse power. You refuse to do something they ask (even though it's part of your lawful right) they will keep pushing and threaten you and make you feel like you have no choice.

 

[Stoked]

Of course, but the poor black areas of cities usually have very negative relations with cops that have heavy disrespect on both sides. I think cops should take more responsibility for fostering positive interactions within their communities.

I absolutely agree. Outreach, community service, publicly available to shoot the breeze for 5 minutes, approachable appearance (take off sunglasses and the like), be more representative of the local communities they serve, school programs, feeding the homeless programs...

But it also works in the reverse. it has become way to popular to demonize all police. Foolish at best.

 

[The Thriller]

The median cop salary is 52K a year, I looked it up.

Which is between $7-9k below the median Utah salary.

So thanks for strengthening my point.

 

[Gameface]

Yeah but you know cops are POS who abuse power. You refuse to do something they ask (even though it's part of your lawful right) they will keep pushing and threaten you and make you feel like you have no choice.

I agree that they frequently present requests as commands and get pissy when you don't do what they want you to do.

 

[Gameface]

Which is between $7-9k below the median Utah salary.

So thanks for strengthening my point.

So an NBA player making 25M/year makes as much as 480 police officers

 

[The Thriller]

This is what the SLPD's salary schedule looks like (keep in mind, this is their gross pay:

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Gee why aren't people just running to deal with the **** cops do for $18-20 bucks per hour...

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Which is between $7-9k below the median Utah salary.

So thanks for strengthening my point.

You sure, I did a quick google search and the median household income is 60K, so I find it hard to believe that the median income for a single person is 60K.

 

[The Thriller]

So an NBA player making 25M/year makes as much as 480 police officers

Yeah. Just about.

Listen, I'm not advocating for elementary school teachers to be laid like world class entertainers or incredible doctors.

However, most industrialized nations compensate their law enforcement and educators fairly. Knowing that their very economy and democracy is dependent upon honest and qualified law enforcers and educators who are competent in teaching know their stuff.

Again, I speak from personal experience here.

Teachers are over burdened and burning out. Those smart enough to leave or go into admin are doing so. Students in college are avoiding the profession like the plague. Those staying in the profession or going into it literally cannot do anything else.

From my two friends (one is in the national guard at camp Williams) and the other is in law enforcement, the same thing is happening to them. The only people going into law enforcement or staying in it are those who cannot do anything else.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

https://www.deptofnumbers.com/income/utah/

per capita income was 25K in 2014.

 

[The Thriller]

You sure, I did a quick google search and the median household income is 60K, so I find it hard to believe that the median income for a single person is 60K.

Don't Simple economics come into play here?

If you're suffering from a shortwte in both quality and quantity, isn't the obvious solution to make the job more attractive? What's the #1 factor in making a job attractive? I'm being serious now. People have mouths to feed and mortgages to pay.

 

[The Thriller]

https://www.deptofnumbers.com/income/utah/

per capita income was 25K in 2014.

That's not an apples to apples comparison. You don't get a teaching job or a police job simply by walking in and filling out an application like you do at Walmart or the millions of call centers in draper or Lehi. Typically, teachers and officers in Utah are required to have diplomas and certifications/training/licenses. Im sure there are alt routes. But for the most part it's a bachelor's and teaching license.

Hence, why a more accurate comparison would be comparing teacher/police officer salaries with those with bachelor's. Again, avg starting teaching salary is about $30k per year. Very comparable to that of police officers.

Avg starting salary with the same level of education is $45k in Utah. So educators and police officers start out making $10-15k less.

 

[bigb]

Of course, but the poor black areas of cities usually have very negative relations with cops that have heavy disrespect on both sides. I think cops should take more responsibility for fostering positive interactions within their communities.

Agreed. I've never said cops are not to blame. Of course there are douche nugget cops. Both sides need to improve the relationship.

 

[Boris]

Don't Simple economics come into play here?

If you're suffering from a shortwte in both quality and quantity, isn't the obvious solution to make the job more attractive? What's the #1 factor in making a job attractive? I'm being serious now. People have mouths to feed and mortgages to pay.

Actually, simple economics states that your whiny liberal cry baby attitude will cure itself.

Look, I am sorry really really sorry you do not make a million dollars per year doing something that 50% of the population would love to do. Teacher shortage you say? Burned out wimps? Good! Let only those with true passion emerge. Then an only then will we discuss pay rises. Until then let us let the rot weed itself out of are schools.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

That's not an apples to apples comparison. You don't get a teaching job or a police job simply by walking in and filling out an application like you do at Walmart or the millions of call centers in draper or Lehi. Typically, teachers and officers in Utah are required to have diplomas and certifications/training/licenses. Im sure there are alt routes. But for the most part it's a bachelor's and teaching license.

Hence, why a more accurate comparison would be comparing teacher/police officer salaries with those with bachelor's. Again, avg starting teaching salary is about $30k per year. Very comparable to that of police officers.

Avg starting salary with the same level of education is $45k in Utah. So educators and police officers start out making $10-15k less.

You just need to be a HS graduate, maybe even just a GED, to be a cop. I doubt 45k is the median for hs grads.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yes you have to go through training but you aren't paying for higher education.

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[Tom Pitt]

You have the coroners report or smth?

The executing officer CLEARLY hesitates to shoot this punk, giving him one last chance to stop resisting an pulling his gun out.

But yeah **** the police because shocking video ��

Boris, after shooting him 2 times point blank in the chest, I'm pretty sure it would not be too difficult for two cops to subdue this man.

To shoot him 4 more times... After a 3-4 second pause. You'd have to be crazy not to think that's a bit excessive.

 

[Jazz and Utes]

If you don't want to get shot than comply, not saying the officer wasn't wrong here but when you resist you deserve whatever you get.