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Baton Rouge Police Killing a 37-year-old black man at point blank range

I find police, sheriffs, state troopers and other gun-toting officials generally responsible to such a high degree of ethics, speaking of my own "white" experience..... even black officers..... that I'm biased or prejudiced against the cop critics.

I don't think I could match the general level of discipline if I ran a unit. Must hand out massive respect for these folks. The press looks like "yellow journalism".
 
babe said:
Boris, you annoy even me. Be ashamed to make reasonable differences of opinion actually offensive to those who need to see the light.
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You want me to be ashamed of the truth an the obvious? Are they really oblivious to the message they are sending police an the fallout they cause? Can they really feel no guilt for contributing to a environment of hate?

We have a judicial system. We have Internal Affairs. Obama has sent in the feds. We do not need to foster a environment conducive to rioting an police shootings. Especially when we aready have clear evidence police were justified.
 
babe said:
I find police, sheriffs, state troopers and other gun-toting officials generally responsible to such a high degree of ethics, speaking of my own "white" experience..... even black officers..... that I'm biased or prejudiced against the cop critics.

I don't think I could match the general level of discipline if I ran a unit. Must hand out massive respect for these folks. The press looks like "yellow journalism".
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Without a doubt, however, there is a certain percentage of leos that have no business wearing a uniform. Some of them get off on having power/authority over others, and are therefore more likely to abuse their position. Others simply don't have the mentality to be in intense situations that could potentially become life threatening, and are prone to overreact to possible threats. Both of these types are often to blame for things escalating when they wouldn't have otherwise, had they been handled differently. I do believe that most cops are good people, and are getting a bad rap due to the actions of a small percentage in most cases. That's not to say that there aren't entire forces in some areas that are completely ****ed up because the wrong individuals are running things.
 
Boris said:
You want me to be ashamed of the truth an the obvious? Are they really oblivious to the message they are sending police an the fallout they cause? Can they really feel no guilt for contributing to a environment of hate?

We have a judicial system. We have Internal Affairs. Obama has sent in the feds. We do not need to foster a environment conducive to rioting an police shootings. Especially when we aready have clear evidence police were justified.
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You would make a great dictator. Just send in the tanks, eh Boris?
 
The Thriller said:
Unfortunately, a large segment of our population doesn't see the problems with this.

I saw on Facebook today, a huge advocate of the 2nd amendment and would fight you tooth and nail against any sensible gun regulation blasting the black man In Louisiana. He blamed him for being killed by police. If only he hadn't shown his gun and resisted arrest hed still be alive.

Apparently, blacks can't show their handguns to anyone without being harassed while whites can march into a chipotle carrying an AR15 around their bodies and go unmolested.

Sigh
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A bold comment to make it more of a racial issue rather than focus on the tragedy itself. Way to go.
 
Like I've said earlier, justice hasn't been served in the same manner recently for civilians and law enforcement officers. I'm interested in seeing what happens to the Baton Rouge police officers and to yesterday's shooters... They should all never see the sunlight again in my book. It's not a matter of stirring the 2nd Amendment debate more than it is having justice be equal for all.

Then there's the unnecessarily added racial element, enlarged by the media.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
Gun laws vary from state to state, and handgun laws tend to be stricter than for long guns. Federal law says that you can only buy handguns in the state in which you reside, while long guns are not restricted in the same way.
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So even if i am just a tourist-foreigner and not a citizen of the USA i can still buy guns legally with only background check etc.? I thought that the 2nd Amendment applies only to US citizens, not foreigners.
 
lauriandres said:
So even if i am just a tourist-foreigner and not a citizen of the USA i can still buy guns legally with only background check etc.? I thought that the 2nd Amendment applies only to US citizens, not foreigners.
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I didn't say that at all. I don't really know if background checks can be done for non-citizens. Probably not. However, you could certainly buy one from a private citizen, and I doubt there is any law against it. This is probably the biggest single issue, as this is how people who can't pass a background check are able to buy guns.
 
MVP said:
Anybody who saw the video saw murder. You see something else. Maybe it's time to get of mushrooms?
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Lucky for these protectors of justice there is more video to prove the fanatics wrong.

I will not provide the new video. It is grafic.

Officers respond to a call of a man BRANDISHING a fire arm...

"He's got a gun"

Arm securing Officer pulls out his firearm and warns suspect.

"I swear to God if you move..."

Suspect continues struggle for his weapon.

Shots ensue.



Sorry cop haters, race baiters, and gun haters. This case is closed.
 
Boris said:
Lucky for these protectors of justice there is more video to prove the fanatics wrong.

I will not provide the new video. It is grafic.

Officers respond to a call of a man BRANDISHING a fire arm...

"He's got a gun"

Arm securing Officer pulls out his firearm and warns suspect.

"I swear to God if you move..."

Suspect continues struggle for his weapon.

Shots ensue.



Sorry cop haters, race baiters, and gun haters. This case is closed.
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LOL. Video or it did not happen.
 
lauriandres said:
Questions that are not easy to answer....
1. Why do the asians do not encounter the violent incidents with law enforcement as much as blacks? When was the last police brutality incident in a Chinatown?
2. If everybody on the police would be a black - would the police brutality against blacks end?
3. Is the police brutality against blacks in USA higher compared to other countries either in Asia or Africa? Have not heard any cases that some black person has been killed in Japan or Hong Kong. As much as i have heard, the above average countries in Africa like Zambia, Gambia, Uganda, Senegal, Kenya, Mozambique - police violence is uncommon. Or maybe not reported.
4. Race IMHO does not matter - Russia and countries in South America are great examples through the history that police and military can be ruthless also to the white persons.
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Yeah those are tough questions to answer...


Not trying to answer them, just my thoughts on this general issue since nobody has commented on your questions. I think Asians have a different history in the US than blacks do in terms of coming to the US.


I know in NZ we have a slightly different dynamics in that we have the Maori who are indigenous people here, who sometimes feel like the Europeans have come in and taken everything away from them.. many of them are poor and are at the lower socio-economic level ... The Maori feel like they should be treated better as they've been mistreated in the past, many are living on the benefit, etc.


On the other hand, most Asians who have come to NZ, had to pass a rigorous test of Education, Asset, job offer, etc, to be allowed a Permanent Resident status... many were already well off in their countries (that's why they pass the test), hence they are here trying to make a real go, working hard, with kids studying hard and all pretty much well behaved.
 
The Thriller said:
I don't think so.

In my experience in public education, both the quality and quantity of candidates has dropped like a rock in just 10 years.

In Utah, teachers are actually paid proportionally less than in 2008. We spend less of a percentage of the state budget on public education than in the early 2000s when we were already spending at pathetic levels. In 2010, senator Dan Liljenquist gutted public pensions in this state hurting policemen and teachers the most. Prior to this, one could justify the terrible salary with the promise of a good pension at the end. Not anymore.

Utah currently has a major teacher shortage. Major. People are leaving the profession nor are many going into it anymore. Davis School District could literally hire every single education grad from every single university in Utah and still not cover all of their openings. That's just Davis school district.

Ive seen first hand the destruction of public education system here in Utah. One of my best friends is also a cop in Orem. He describes a similar situation.

Both these sectors have been gutted either through ridiculous legislation or tax cuts for business (at the expense of services like law enforcement and education). As a result, cops and teachers are overburdened, under compensated, and the people going into these fields or being retained are not quality candidates.
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You said that one marginal NBA player is going to make more in a year than all of the teachers and police officers combined. That is laughably untrue.

I don't disagree with your other points about teachers and cops, but you diminish your own credibility by starting out with such an enormous overstatement.
 
Who else here is fully in favour of cost affective private transfer of firearms through local Police Departments?

To the gun nuts this would also protect you from lawsuit or criminal penalties so
 
Boris said:
Who else here is fully in favour of cost affective private transfer of firearms through local Police Departments?

To the gun nuts this would also protect you from lawsuit or criminal penalties so
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To vague
 
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