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Pick 5 starters

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So I spent last night watching the game on my dvr where we beat LA at their home with Favors and Millsap starting together and it was very fun to watch. So I wouldn't mind Big Al sitting on the bench or not playing with the Jazz at all. XD I can only dream...

Without a doubt, Favors has to start someway, somehow.
 
MoTown16 said:
The 2 and 3 are only interchangeable on offense.
You can't have a guy who's 6' 4" trying to play defense against a SF that's 6'8." That's why the Jazz absolutely had to pick up a player like Marvin Williams.
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Agreed.
Marvin will be the guy we rely on to guard the elite SF's of the league.

I wonder if he can become that elite defender that Atlanta obviously thought he wasn't.
 
silesian said:
My hope:

Starters: Mo, Foye, Hayward, Favors,Jefferson

Second Unit: Tinsely, Burks, Williams, Millsap, Kanter

Reason: we have more depth at the 2 then the 3, so for Hayward/ Burks/ Foye to get minutes. I just can't see Burks/ Foye/Hayward splitting 48 minutes at the 2 (16 minutes each). So Hayward will have to get significant minutes at the 3, leaving Demarre the odd man out.

PS: joining the chorus, we are going to have one helluva second unit, regardless of who gets the start.
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I like the balance with this starting 5 and them the bench. Mo is going to get most of the burn at pg 35 per night. So that leaves foye, watson and tinsley to fight over 13 minutes. (right now I say give them to foye. Screw Watson)

Foye is looking like a 25 minute starter. Leaving 23 minutes for burks. About right.

Hayward is a 30 to 35 min starter if foye get the back up pg min the Hayward can slide to the sg when we go big with Williams at the 3. That would give 25 to 29 min to Williams off the bench. About perfect min for Williams.

Favors is only a 25 to 30 min starter probably do to foul trouble. That gives 18 to 23 min to millsap but I think you could steal 5 to 10 min from the sf position based on who we are playing. 25 to 30 min is a good back up role for millsap to absolutely dominate second string pfs in the league.

Jefferson is a 30 to 35 min starter. If kanter is playing well 30 if not 35. That gives kanter 13 to 18 min a night a good place to be for his current playing level. Game experience. He is also a great person next to millsap.

With those minutes the jazz will be fresher for the playoffs. I like this the most.

Funny I have gone from wanting Jefferson traded the most to let's trade Watson for a second rounder and move on foye is a better back up with tinsley
 
Mo Will - No explanation needed.

Foye - Has a decent three and can play defense - having Al and (hopefully) Favors down low will mean more room on the perimeter.

Marvin Williams - His perimeter defense (and defense in general) will be needed against the other team's starter.

Favors - Since he's more athletic than Jefferson, Favors should play the PF position. He's a beast who will be a great help defender and he'll benefit from the fact we have 1-3's who can hit the three.

Jefferson - He'll have more room inside to work thanks to our new 1-3's = more one-on-one = good for the Jazz.
 
theNBAnerd said:
i love how our best player is a distant 6th in this poll.
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Millsap is like Manu - high-energy, all over the place, and he knows how to run the floor and always appears to be in the right place at the right time. Either are fine as starters, but they tend to make a bigger dent in the other team coming off the bench (perhaps because they get the ball more at that time and can more easily abuse the 2nd-string defense)
 
kabenac said:
Millsap is like Manu - high-energy, all over the place, and he knows how to run the floor and always appears to be in the right place at the right time. Either are fine as starters, but they tend to make a bigger dent in the other team coming off the bench (perhaps because they get the ball more at that time and can more easily abuse the 2nd-string defense)
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bigger dent?? millsap has been our best player for the last year and a half... and he's done so as the starter.
 
I think you are in the minority when you rank Millsap as our best player. By the end of the season Favors was better. And I have a hard time saying a guy is our best player when he completely disappears for long stretches. Al is probably a better overall player for us and Favors is as well.

So Millsap being a distant 6th isn't surprising considering that the 2 guys on our team that are better also play his prefered positions.
 
nothingbutnet said:
PG Mo Williams
SG Randy Foye
SF Gordon Hayward
PF Derrick Favors
C Al Jefferson

6th Man our James Harden
Alec Burks
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You must be joking here when you're implying Paul Millsap and Marvin Williams are the number 7 and 8 guys off the bench.

Good thing we're paying Paul 8.5 mill, and Marvin 7.5 mill to come off the bench in the second and 4th quarters exclusively.
 
gregbroncs said:
I think you are in the minority when you rank Millsap as our best player. By the end of the season Favors was better. And I have a hard time saying a guy is our best player when he completely disappears for long stretches. Al is probably a better overall player for us and Favors is as well.

So Millsap being a distant 6th isn't surprising considering that the 2 guys on our team that are better also play his prefered positions.
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being in the minority doesn't make me wrong.

favors was not better than millsap. favors made good progress and looked very ready to take the next step... but c'mon, go look at any type of objective measurement before you make that comment, because millsap played like a fringe all-star all year. favors, at his april best, averaged 9.8 points, 8.4 rebounds and .9 assists in 25 minutes. even if we gross up his stats to the 32 minutes that paul averaged you'd get 12.5, 10.7 and 1.1. significantly less than paul except in rebounds. the comparison is even more stark if we don't cherry-pick favors' best month and compare it against paul's season-long number.

don't get me wrong, favors is our best chance at a future star. but there's no measure by which he was better than paul in 2011-12.

and al?? al is a better low post scorer than millsap. in just about every other area
 
TheSilencer1313 said:
You must be joking here when you're implying Paul Millsap and Marvin Williams are the number 7 and 8 guys off the bench.

Good thing we're paying Paul 8.5 mill, and Marvin 7.5 mill to come off the bench in the second and 4th quarters exclusively.
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It was more wishful thinking than anything, Paul Millsap will be 6th man with Burks and Foye 7th, 8th.
 
i could care less how much our starters make vs. our subs. if it were up to me, our backup center would be the guy making 15M per year this season so that our two best bigs -- paul and derrick -- can start.

(actually, if i had my way, al wouldn't be around at all... but it looks like i won't get my way on either front.)
 
theNBAnerd said:
being in the minority doesn't make me wrong.

favors was not better than millsap. favors made good progress and looked very ready to take the next step... but c'mon, go look at any type of objective measurement before you make that comment, because millsap played like a fringe all-star all year. favors, at his april best, averaged 9.8 points, 8.4 rebounds and .9 assists in 25 minutes. even if we gross up his stats to the 32 minutes that paul averaged you'd get 12.5, 10.7 and 1.1. significantly less than paul except in rebounds. the comparison is even more stark if we don't cherry-pick favors' best month and compare it against paul's season-long number.

don't get me wrong, favors is our best chance at a future star. but there's no measure by which he was better than paul in 2011-12.

and al?? al is a better low post scorer than millsap. in just about every other area
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All of your #'s only show offense. On defense Favors is significantly better. On offense Favors did not have plays called for him like Millsap. By the end of the season Favors was making huge impacts on the actual games and making a difference when on the court. All while not having plays called for him. His impact on defense to a team that struggled defensively made him the better player. Without cherry picking his best month (the only time the coach finally played him) he was better defensively for most of the season.

Paul's a good player but I still maintain that Both Jefferson and Favors are at least as good as him and that Favors is already better.
 
gregbroncs said:
All of your #'s only show offense. On defense Favors is significantly better. On offense Favors did not have plays called for him like Millsap. By the end of the season Favors was making huge impacts on the actual games and making a difference when on the court. All while not having plays called for him. His impact on defense to a team that struggled defensively made him the better player. Without cherry picking his best month (the only time the coach finally played him) he was better defensively for most of the season.

Paul's a good player but I still maintain that Both Jefferson and Favors are at least as good as him and that Favors is already better.
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I don't think it's even a question of who's "better." You have to look at what makes the team better.
We know Jefferson will be the starter. There is no question Enes is not ready to be a starter (well, I guess 2 voted for Kanter). So who do you pair with Jefferson:
1) A strong defender who doesn't need touches and will score off rebounds.
2) An equally weak defender and primary scorer.

I think a Jefferson/Favors and then Millsap/Kanter combo at 4/5 is what you want. Each pairs a strong defender and rebounder with a scorer.
 
ah, the famous "yeah everything empirical and objective points to paul as a better player, but they're wrong it's actually favors" arguments. for what it's worth, i totally saw these coming.

favors isn't a better defender, he's just longer and a better shot-blocker. paul is much better as a system defender, but i fully expect favors to catch up to him and (hopefully) eventually eclipse him.

you're right about the "favors doesn't get plays called for him" standpoint", but that's because favors still doesn't have a set of moves or offensive skills, and paul has a grundle of both. again, i fully expect favors to be better in the long term, but if we're looking at 2011-12 it's not even close. paul can do a hell of a lot more than favors can offensively RIGHT NOW, which is why he gets the ball and put in positions where he can create/score. favors, meanwhile, is on the cavaliers-era boozer diet: do your best to score on put-backs, hustle plays and transition, and the rest will come later.
 
theNBAnerd said:
ah, the famous "yeah everything empirical and objective points to paul as a better player, but they're wrong it's actually favors" arguments. for what it's worth, i totally saw these coming.

favors isn't a better defender, he's just longer and a better shot-blocker. paul is much better as a system defender, but i fully expect favors to catch up to him and (hopefully) eventually eclipse him.

you're right about the "favors doesn't get plays called for him" standpoint", but that's because favors still doesn't have a set of moves or offensive skills, and paul has a grundle of both. again, i fully expect favors to be better in the long term, but if we're looking at 2011-12 it's not even close. paul can do a hell of a lot more than favors can offensively RIGHT NOW, which is why he gets the ball and put in positions where he can create/score. favors, meanwhile, is on the cavaliers-era boozer diet: do your best to score on put-backs, hustle plays and transition, and the rest will come later.
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Opponent PPP disagrees with your Favors isn't a better defender argument. Favors 105.3 Points per 100 possessions. Millsap 106.2 Points per 100 possessions.

So not all so called empirical and objective data points to paul. Just the ones you chose to use for your argument. Favors is absolutely a better defender and him being longer and more athletic is a big reason why. He was also far superior against PNR and helping. Defense is hard to prove with stats but my eyes tell me that Favors was better defensively.

I think Corbin screwed up last season not playing Favors 30+ MPG and that they should have been at the expense of both Millsap and Jefferson. I think he was absolutely better for the team last year than Millsap. Your # show nothing more than that Millsap was slightly better offensively. They do nothing to show the other end of the floor.
 
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