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Big Al benched...

Relax, seriously. Breathe. Players have bad games. It does take time to adjust to this system and I think Al had been doing a good job.

I don't get this **** on this board. Every single game, win or loss, we need to bitch and bitch and bitch about the one player that had a bad night. If Al puts up 25 points tomorrow, suddenly all will be forgotten and we will be back to calling for CJ's head. Stupid.
 
He played like he was disinterested, especially in the third. A bit disconcerting.

Needs to play with a bit more emotion and energy when things aren't going well.

He's also probably really frustrated not getting the schemes down and being confused a lot of the time. Still early in the season. Nothing to get too concerned about.
 
Bad game. He missed a bunch a shots he would ordinarily have made. When I think about Al sucking and us winning this game, all I can think is how freaking good we're going to be when Al is fully on board. He and Millsap can be flat out dominant when they get in sync with each other, and in sync with the whole team. It makes me giggly to think about.
 
Sloan coached with his nuts and his gut, InGameStrategy's coaching 101 is going to be deserted in the future.
Hilarious that you could contradict yourself in a single sentence.

Coaching with motivation and intensity (the "nuts" part, not the "gut" part) is one of the things that I salute Sloan for.

Intentionally or unintentionally, Sloan adopted--not deserted--Coaching 101 by putting the best combination on the court--or at least a combination that was good enough.

It's also a step closer to him practicing what he preaches--enforcing effort, not just talking about it.
 
Agree. Jefferson, until tonight, was averaging 18/10 on 45% shooting. That's prrety good. Not great, but I think that's about what we thought Millsap might do. Obviously we underestimated Millsap and had overly optimistic expectations about Big Al.
While I, too, have been surprised that AJ cannot create his shot better, it's not overly optimistic to expect your starting center to box out. To this point, Sloan has stuck with the tired old undersized PF pair as the majority of the minutes at the 4/5 spot. What really wasn't expected is that Big Al would bring such bad defense, even though it would be a surprise if he would be as good offensively as Boozer--especially so soon.

We saw tonight that, even though the opposing center rotation was a 6'9" 3rd year and an aging Euro, putting a center (or center-like player in Elson) is better than playing a 6'10" who is (1) still out of shape, (2) still doesn't know the offense, and (3) still doesn't give anywhere close to Millsap-like effort.
 
Dude you seriously did NOT watch the game. Everyone that did knows you don't have the slightest freakin clue what you are talking about. Fes was called on to foul because D-Will couldn't and Fes did it quickly and efficiently without much time coming off the clock. I don't think he could have done any better. Watch the game and then come back and post.

Dude, you seriously have short term memory problems. Fesenko is a foul machine every game. Expand your mind Fes Homer.
 
Big Al looked pissed as they were walking off the court. Anyone see that?

(ps: bring back Bozzer!)

I didn't see that. AJ was cheering the team down the stretch and chest bump Millsap when he came over to the sidelines. Sorry but if you watch the sideline when the Jazz are making the run in OT AJ and DW were the biggest cheerleaders. I think you are looking for something that is not there. The only thing similar to Boozer is how Jazz fans have already turned on AJ. He played poorly but the guy has played what 7 games in a difficult system.
 
The only thing similar to Boozer is how Jazz fans have already turned on AJ. He played poorly but the guy has played what 7 games in a difficult system.

I've posted that it's the same song being sung as when Boozer signed. The fans in Utah turn so quickly on players over any little thing. It's no wonder many players won't even consider coming to Utah, and others want out so quickly. Who'd want to play in front of the haters on this forum every night?
 
Good grief. Al will be fine. He is an excellent player, and the Jazz are lucky to have gotten him. He will not come off the bench. He will start. Sitting him down at crunch time a time or two will make him mad. How well he responds will determine whether he is a star or just a good player.

My prediction is that he is mad about last night, but will respond with a vengeance. I see a big game ahead.
 
Good grief. Al will be fine. He is an excellent player, and the Jazz are lucky to have gotten him. He will not come off the bench. He will start. Sitting him down at crunch time a time or two will make him mad. How well he responds will determine whether he is a star or just a good player.

My prediction is that he is mad about last night, but will respond with a vengeance. I see a big game ahead.

So far, Big Al looks very one dimensional to me. If he get the ball he is gonna try to score. Other than that, he does nothing to help the team on offense. Hopefully he can learn and get into the flow, but right now he is jamming up the offense. He looks like he has not real feel for the team game or passing. If it was not for Milsap having a scorching start to the year, this team will be in huge trouble.
 
Big Al looked pissed as they were walking off the court. Anyone see that?

(ps: bring back Bozzer!)

I rewatched it and he definitely looked pissed walking off the court after the game.

I think he was just mean muggin though. He was up cheering from the bench the whole 4th qtr and overtime.
 
I'm much more worried abotu the production we're getting from Raja and CJ. Terrible games - AGAIN - from both of them.

CJ for the most part was awful. But he had a stretch between the 3rd and 4th I believe, where he scored 6 straight, 3 straight buckets. It was an important part of the comeback. His other shot selection was dreadful however.
 
I've posted that it's the same song being sung as when Boozer signed. The fans in Utah turn so quickly on players over any little thing. It's no wonder many players won't even consider coming to Utah, and others want out so quickly. Who'd want to play in front of the haters on this forum every night?

Personally I think most Jazz fans are still waiting for AJ to shine, not too worried, just hopeful. You can't gauge it by a few Internet reactions.
 
My comment wasnt to bench Al and give him second team minutes. I just think he could benefit from playing in the PF spot and since he doesnt know the offense as well as anyone would like (including himself). Fes is not an offensive machine, but he clogs the paint and he is always active. I also think Elson and Al could work well together. They are not use to the offense, so you can simplify things. Al on the low post and elson at the high post for the pick and pop.
 
All of the following has already been said by Sloan, Jazz players, local media, and posters on this board, but even "Jazz-hatin" ESPN doesn't turn an offgame or recurring mistakes into a Jefferson-bashing session:

By Kevin Arnovitz

"MIAMI -- The first thing Jerry Sloan told Al Jefferson when the big man arrived in Utah from Minnesota during the offseason was, "Don't panic."

"He said, 'We're going to throw a lot of stuff at you.' Just don't panic," Jefferson said.

That stuff is the infinite number of demands that Sloan's offense requires of its players.

Jefferson is a throwback post player -- a stationary force down on the left block. When he's been healthy, Jefferson's modus operandi is to call for the ball by raising his enormous right hand. He collects the entry pass, then unleashes his massive drop-step or deceptive up-fake to barrel his way to the rim. There's been precious little variance to that plan over the course of his career. Jefferson has an acute understanding of his strengths and limitations and has fashioned his game accordingly.

But in Salt Lake, the role of the center is vastly different. The flex offense abhors stasis, even for a specialist like Jefferson who has traditionally been a creature of habit at his preferred spot on the floor. Big men are asked to be offensive generalists who remain in constant motion. They must be playmakers, shooters and screeners. More than anything, they need to be able to make reads. For instance, a help defender's choice might trigger a hard cut by a player in Jefferson's position -- and the system succeeds and fails on that player's ability to recognize the call instantly.

"There are a lot of different reads and that's where I find myself getting confused," Jefferson said prior to Tuesday's game at Miami. "But it's coming along. I'm getting better and better everyday. Every. Day."

Jefferson articulated that belief emphatically. But on Tuesday, he struggled. He converted only one of his seven shots from the floor and failed to earn a trip to the stripe in 27 minutes. A number of those six misses were at close range. At the 1:58 mark of the third quarter, Kyrylo Fesenko checked in for Jefferson, who never returned.

"I thought we were doing better defensively," Sloan said when asked why he stayed with Fesenko down the stretch and into overtime. "Al was struggling a little bit with his shooting. It wasn't anything personal."

Jefferson understands that -- something not every benched Jazzman over the years has. It didn't hurt that the Jazz stormed back from a 22-point deficit to mount an improbable comeback in Miami for a 116-114 win.

"In 82 games, that's going to happen," Jefferson said. "I bet you it's going to happen two or three more times this year. The good thing about this league is you got another one tomorrow. I can't sit back and feel sorry for myself. I can't feel sorry at all because won, regardless of how bad I played."

Graceful clichés aside, Jefferson was in good spirits following the game, not only because the festive Jazz locker room was ebullient from their big win, but because he and Sloan have a mutual understanding that this project is going to some time. A bad game isn't a killer. Jefferson knows he needs to establish some familiarity with Sloan's structured system and Sloan knows the staff needs to better understand how to maximize the talents of its new center.

"We have to learn a little more about him, where he likes to get the basketball," Sloan said. "Hopefully we can help him to get it a little easier in certain positions on the floor. The way we play, it takes time to get that done."

Tuesday night's non-starter notwithstanding, Jefferson's output over his first seven games hasn't been awful -- but still significantly below his career numbers. Jefferson isn't expressing too much concern. Like so many of Sloan's converts over the years, Jefferson has an abiding faith that if he devotes himself to the system, positive results will materialize.

"The last three years in Minnesota, everybody knows, 'You throw the ball into block, then double-team Al,'" Jefferson said. "See now, when I catch the ball on the block, that doesn't necessarily mean it's for me to score. You have cutters coming through. The more I pass it off, the more I'm going to be open."

In the meantime, Jefferson will continue to study those schemes on DVD and imagine a day when those reads arrive naturally -- and the double-teams he confronted in Minnesota arrive less frequently."

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In the past, Jefferson has been a classic big man on offense. Give him the ball in the paint and he becomes very methodical with fakes, footwork, and a variety of tricks. He has taken his time, and it has paid off in it's own way. Six years of (successful) habits do not disappear overnight.
 
No, they do not dissappear overnight. But can you make other necessary talents appear? BB IQ for anticipating passes? Ability to move properly? Can a guy become a NBA-Jazz quality passer just by trying and studying DVDs? Can this square peg be rounded off to fit in the round hole? Not so sure myself.
 
Hilarious that you could contradict yourself in a single sentence.

Coaching with motivation and intensity (the "nuts" part, not the "gut" part) is one of the things that I salute Sloan for.

Intentionally or unintentionally, Sloan adopted--not deserted--Coaching 101 by putting the best combination on the court--or at least a combination that was good enough.

It's also a step closer to him practicing what he preaches--enforcing effort, not just talking about it.
He always does, you just focus on the mistakes.
 
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