Biggest Reason We Lost?

[HipHopAnonymous]

Except for very brief flashes Big Al was dominated by the Spurs D (see Duncan).

I think dominated is a bit harsh. He did still average over 18 a game & shot 52%. He didn't defense but wasn't horrible on offense. In fact was better than his season average for the 2 games in Utah. Millsap was much worse on offense than Jefferson. He shot 37% which is horrid for a player like him.

 

[chawx]

Here are my grades for the full series, not just game 4:

Coaching : F+ (played terrible line ups, refused to call time outs on 20-3 runs, looked like a deer in the headlights. Hopeful that he can improve.)
Team Defense : D-
Team Offense : D-

--starters-- (Overall Grade : C-)
Jefferson : C- (scoring points is only like 1/10th of the game of basketball. everything else he's asked to do on the court, he does like ****! Al lovers are blinded by his scoring and are too dumb to see the other 90% of the game. Gets a higher grade because I think he actually learned something called 'urgency' from Carroll with 5 minutes left in game 4)
Millsap : C (at least he tried in this series. He got hacked more than any player has in a 4 game series in the history of the NBA without getting a call ...plus, extra points to Sap for not defeating himself before the game started by calling the Spurs a much better team)
Hayward : D+ (got other guys involved, played good D on Parker and Ginobli, but shot the ball like ****)
Howard : F (Did NOTHING but hurt the team)
Harris : C (Showed passion in game 3 and 4 and tried to will the team to a victory, but just isn't good enough)

--bench-- (Overall Grade : C+)
Favors : A- (Defense was stellar. Offensively, he needs more time on the court without Big Al getting in the goddamned way every time—Jazz superstar)
Carroll : B (Where the **** was this kid all series? Ty earned his F+ above because of playing Howard over him)
Burks : B- (Did what he was supposed to do, drove hard to the hoop and played aggressive on the defensive end. Game 4 sucked because he was getting murdered in the paint, but didn't get a single call)
Kanter : C (Raw as all get out. Showed a couple things out there, but not when he was in during important minutes. Needed to show that toughness he has!)
Tinsley : C- (Meh. Did his job, I guess, he could have tried to showcase more of that "craftiness" throughout the series though)
Evans : INCOMPLETE (Come on, Ty! This kid needed some burn! He deserved some burn! When we were looking like dog **** out there in game 1 and 2, you're telling me you, as the coach, couldn't figure out how to get him in for an energy burst for 10-15 minutes a game during important minutes?!)
Ahern : INCOMPLETE (Should have played him too in the 2nd quarter in games and run a couple plays for him to see if he would have been a spark to make a 3 pointer or two. Again, Ty's a ******* for sitting our only pure shooter the entire series and not even trying to see if he could help.)
Bell : LOL (The only other reason to give Ty the "+" in his F+ grade. Zero minutes for Bell was a good thing for this team.)

 

[Jeffrey32]

With the exception of Game 2, which was lack of effort on the players' fault, it comes doen to coaching and line-ups. Corbin shouldn't have started Howard over Carroll, changing the line-up that gave them their playoff push. He should have went with the big line-up more often. He should have played Carroll on Tony Parker sooner.

 

[Scorpjazz]

Totally obvious when watching that the reason the Jazz lost is that the Spurs are a MUCH MUCH better team, an elite team. The Jazz are up and coming and all the whining about them is stupid. Watching the series I realised how freaking awesome the Spurs are right now.
Blaming Corbin, Big Al (he did well), or whatever you want, is lame.
If we play a perfect series, we maybe win one (maybe), at most 2 games. Great experience to see what an elite team does in the post season for the guys, move on to next year.

 

[Scorpjazz]

I think dominated is a bit harsh. He did still average over 18 a game & shot 52%. He didn't defense but wasn't horrible on offense. In fact was better than his season average for the 2 games in Utah. Millsap was much worse on offense than Jefferson. He shot 37% which is horrid for a player like him.

You are NOT allowed here to point out the obvious fact that Al was better than Sap this series. Al played against possibly the best PF EVER and did well. Sap played against...uh...yeah....You must, at all times, blame Al for each loss, and IF you cant find it in yourself to do so, then Blame Corbin, because obviously his team was equal or better than the Spurs but he made them play badly.

 

[Hipporippo]

I don't blame Corbin. The Jazz lost because we don't have any shooters on the wing to a) make shots, and b) make other plays possible. No one could get a lane to the basket.

This.

The jazz were just overmatched. Yes, we should not have been playing Howard. And, a Hayward like he was playing in April may have given us a chance to win one or two games. But, we had no business winning more than that.

Did anybody else notice that we got a MAJORITY of calls during game 4? It was like the league had passed down to the refs that they would like to see a game 5. Still, we couldn't win.

 

[northeast]

HIpporippo No that is incorrect.
Start with the fact that everytime the Jazz get close, a Spurs player flops and gets a foul.
Duncun, Gino, Parker, Neal all did this in game 4.

Jefferson rarely got a call on his many shots.
Millsap was fouled on that turnover late someone said.
Parker pushes off at will on offense and is never called for it.
The Spurs, especially Duncun push and bump a lot on defense before the shot and are rarely called for it.
There was a stretch late where the refs called a foul every time the Spurs drove. The jazz were not getting that on the other end like that.
Someone else mentioned the Spurs do a lot of moving screens.

The Spurs get away with a lot of stuff that everyone just accepts as normal, but the Jazz can't do those things without a call.

One thing I will give credit to the Spurs for, that the Jazz could learn from, is to bump the guy with the ball more before he goes into his shot, to get him offbalance and out of position. I am not sure that the Jazz could get away it, but they could try.

 

[northeast]

on fouls called:
the ratio of free throw attempts to 2 point shot attempts is a measure of how many calls each team got, with the higher number an indication of more calls.

For the Jazz , this was 35%.
For the Spurs, it was 58%.

 

[northeast]

I am really tired of hearing about how great the Spurs are.
If the games are called fair, they are not that great.

it will be interesting to see who the refs favor in the games between the Spurs, Thunder, and Heat, if they all get that far.
I suspect that those will be fairly called.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

on fouls called:
the ratio of free throw attempts to 2 point shot attempts is a measure of how many calls each team got, with the higher number an indication of more calls.

For the Jazz , this was 35%.
For the Spurs, it was 58%.

The Spurs did a better job of playing defense. They just packed the paint and held their arms straight up. Parker got a couple of questionable calls, but for the most part it as even. Stop whining.

 

[t.work]

You mean to tell me that the best offensive team in the league, with arguably the best power forward EVER and arguably the best coach in the NBA today, should have won this series? Utah, one of the youngest and poorest outside shooting teams in the league, along with a rookie (basically) head coach.. clearly the Jazz should have won this series.

If there's a team in the NBA that has Utah's number, it's the San Antonio Spurs. That team outshines Utah in almost every facet of the game. The only thing I think Utah does better, normally, is score the ball in the paint. The Spurs bigs made Utah's frontline (other than Favors) look amateur. Al Jefferson looked especially bad vs. Duncan. Duncan is one of the best big man defenders in the league so I'm not surprised. But yeah, San Antonio was THE last team that Utah wanted to see and you could tell.

 

[STdmvp]

https://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7904144

^ Pretty much sums it up.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Our offense lost us this series. You can all point to the fact that Al is an absolute defensive sieve (and he totally is), but that doesn't explain averaging 86 ppg in a series. Our offense, particularly our permitter shooting, was simply terrible. AS a result, the Spurs would clog the paint, and our paint-game was completely demolished. How Jefferson scored 26 tonight, I will never understand. Hayward averaging 45% from 3 would have changed this entire series, if he was attempting ~5 threes per game.

ding ding ding ding *rep*

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Just curious to see what we think was the single biggest factor that lead to our 4 game sweep. Obviously what you vote for isn't the only factor, but whatever you feel hurt the team the most.

I have to go with Hayward's shooting no show.

It hurts because I really expected him to have a series where he showed the nation that he was indeed worthy of a lottery pick and a guy who steps up in big moments. Instead, he laid egg after egg as the Spurs defense played pseudo-defense on his 3pt jump shots.

Edit* ****, forgot poll.

Can you not edit a poll in? This is a bigger fail than our playoff series.

Your usually pretty right on the money with your posts, but I have to disagree with you on this...

Even if Hayward had shot the ball well it well we still get beat 4-0.

Al sucked, and got manhandled by Duncan

Millsap was nowhere to be seen, and even got manhandled by the likes of Boris Diaw, quite pathetic actually. I'm surprised he's getting more of a pass for how he played in the series.

Favors performed as I expected him too. He played well at times, impacting the games with his defense and making some plays here and there on offense, but also making mistakes as young players often do.

Howard, yuk!! Nuff said there.

Burks didn't play very good defense. (See Favors for everything else.

Corbin why didn't you start Carroll. He shouldve played more.

Even if Hayward had been in peak form, we still get our asses handed to us. Tell me if I miss read your post, but it sounds like you put most of the blame on Hayward. I feel most of the blame should be on Al, Millsap, and Corbin, then Hayward, and Harris.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Your usually pretty right on the money with your posts, but I have to disagree with you on this...

Even if Hayward had shot the ball well it well we still get beat 4-0.

Al sucked, and got manhandled by Duncan

Millsap was nowhere to be seen, and even got manhandled by the likes of Boris Diaw, quite pathetic actually. I'm surprised he's getting more of a pass for how he played in the series.

Favors performed as I expected him too. He played well at times, impacting the games with his defense and making some plays here and there on offense, but also making mistakes as young players often do.

Howard, yuk!! Nuff said there.

Burks didn't play very good defense. (See Favors for everything else.

Corbin why didn't you start Carroll. He shouldve played more.

Even if Hayward had been in peak form, we still get our asses handed to us. Tell me if I miss read your post, but it sounds like you put most of the blame on Hayward. I feel most of the blame should be on Al, Millsap, and Corbin, then Hayward, and Harris.

What I'm trying to say is there was no one who really played to there level other then Favors no one else really played well.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

You are NOT allowed here to point out the obvious fact that Al was better than Sap this series. Al played against possibly the best PF EVER and did well. Sap played against...uh...yeah....You must, at all times, blame Al for each loss, and IF you cant find it in yourself to do so, then Blame Corbin, because obviously his team was equal or better than the Spurs but he made them play badly.

Millsap, Burks and Hayward combined shot 4/32. That's 12.5% people.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Your usually pretty right on the money with your posts, but I have to disagree with you on this...

Even if Hayward had shot the ball well it well we still get beat 4-0.

Al sucked, and got manhandled by Duncan

Millsap was nowhere to be seen, and even got manhandled by the likes of Boris Diaw, quite pathetic actually. I'm surprised he's getting more of a pass for how he played in the series.

Favors performed as I expected him too. He played well at times, impacting the games with his defense and making some plays here and there on offense, but also making mistakes as young players often do.

Howard, yuk!! Nuff said there.

Burks didn't play very good defense. (See Favors for everything else.

Corbin why didn't you start Carroll. He shouldve played more.

Even if Hayward had been in peak form, we still get our asses handed to us. Tell me if I miss read your post, but it sounds like you put most of the blame on Hayward. I feel most of the blame should be on Al, Millsap, and Corbin, then Hayward, and Harris.

So which one of these was the biggest reasons we got swept? This wasn't meant to be the only reason, just whatever you thought was the biggest contributing factor.

Hayward scoring 0 points in a game we lost by 7 doesn't make a difference? His shooting would have helped spread the floor if he was shooting his 40%+ from deep he had been doing for the past two months.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

So which one of these was the biggest reasons we got swept? This wasn't meant to be the only reason, just whatever you thought was the biggest contributing factor.

Hayward scoring 0 points in a game we lost by 7 doesn't make a difference? His shooting would have helped spread the floor if he was shooting his 40%+ from deep he had been doing for the past two months.

Did Hayward even play the 4th quarter. I know he didn't play during the big 4th quarter run. If I recall Hayward Shot 12 foul shots, yes he didn't play well in that game, but was the best player we had in that game, and still lost by double digits, and even if he plays well in the last game and win we still don't win the series.

No one played well enough to put the most blame on any one player.

 

[sepanol]

biggest reason we lost?

maybe because they are one of the best teams in the league, and we barely made playoffs , thats why

 

[northeast]

The Spurs did a better job of playing defense. They just packed the paint and held their arms straight up. Parker got a couple of questionable calls, but for the most part it as even. Stop whining.

So , to be clear, nothing I said was incorrect, and what hippo said was incorrect, and you don't dispute that , you just don't want to hear me say it.