Bill and Jalen's Jazz Preview
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AlaskanAssassin
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I love these previews. However, at the very least we are a better team than Philadelphia, LA Lakers, Milwaukee, and Orlando. Bill and Jalen are underestimating the upgrade from Corbin to Snyder.
Stifle Tower
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ANY coach is better than Ty. Corbin coached like he was in a pickup game. "Hey, throw the ball to Hayward; he's our best player. Gordon, just drive or try to hit whoever might be open."
Don't discount internal improvement. It's doubtful Hayward and Burke shoot as poorly as they did last season. And Gobert is MUCH improved. Favors has been impressive in the preseason thus far, as has Burks.
If you look at last year, the season had three distinct segments:
1. The 1-14 start. Sure, the schedule was difficult. But the team was also led by one of the worst PG combos in the history of the NBA: Tinsley and Lucas. Barring another injury, the Jazz will be much better just by having Trey to start the season. Exum, as raw as he is, can't be worse than Lucas/Tinsley/Garrett.
2. The 18-19 pre all-star break: Ok, the schedule DID get easier. Burke and Garrett replacing Tinsley/Lucas played a huge part. Marvin Williams returned from injury and replaced Mike Harris. Jazz were almost a .500 team over that stretch.
3. The 6-24 collapse. There were a couple of late Feb. wins, but with no activity at the deadline, the players KNEW the "tank" was on. Except for Burke, the players just quit on Ty. It was noticeable. They didn't believe in him. They dealt with "tanking" questions on a regular basis. The talk in the newspapers turned to speculation about lottery odds and who the Jazz would draft. I guarantee that won't happen this year. Quin is the coach. He's not a lame duck. Players will give effort or they won't play. There are NO bad contracts on the team. Every player has something to play for.
Also consider that the roster is deeper. RJ had an abysmal defensive rating last season. Booker and Novak were as efficient as RJ and Marvin offensively and Hood gives them outside shooting. Sure PG is suspect if Exum continues to struggle. But even at that, the position will be stronger than last year. Garrett didn't exactly light it up as the backup, even though he was a HUGE improvement over Tinsley and Lucas.
So add just a few more wins at the beginning of the season and some at the end. It's not hard to see the Jazz as having a shot at a .500 record (they were playing that well in Jan/Feb.). Barring injuries, I don't see how the Jazz fail to win 30-35 games.
Doublea
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It's probably just the people who have seen him in practice doing it.
Doublea
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I think all of our young guys will be better. Any coach is an upgrade from Corbin and I mean this from the perspective of the players. Just having that new voice can give them confidence. We also added Booker and Hood, who will have great impact off the bench. Jefferson and Marvin weren't doing much to help last year either. Overall I think Snyder will give the players a reason to play.
addictionary
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There is zero chance the Jazz will not over-achieve and shut some traps if they stick to Snyder's plan this year. The NBA is full of ****ty teams that don't play this kind of basketball.
We've heard this before. Many here said any coach was an upgrade from Sloan. Were you one of them? How did that turn out?
Joe Bagadonuts
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I don't think there was a single post that said that. I believed that it was possible to upgrade from Sloan, but I definitely didn't think it would take just any coach to do that and I can't imagine anybody else thinking that either. Upgrading from Corbin is an entirely different story.
Doublea
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No I'd argue that any coach after sloan was due to fail, especially one from inside the organization. Corbin tried being sloan, but he didn't inspire players and he hurt the younger guys confidence and development.
Jamezz
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Keep mocking the Jazz Bill, I can tell he really wanted Exum to go to the Celtics but since it didn't happen Exum has all of a sudden become the player with the biggest chance to be a bust in this league.
I hope we have the Celtics bite some serious dust when we face each other. Bill never brings anything of his own to the table, another commentator who bases his analysis simply on what's trending in the mainstream NBA news...
I hope we have the Celtics bite some serious dust when we face each other. Bill never brings anything of his own to the table, another commentator who bases his analysis simply on what's trending in the mainstream NBA news...
Stifle Tower
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I don't think any coach was doomed to fail. It was already understood with the Deron trade that the Jazz were about to embark on a rebuilding period. Sloan had gotten old, his systems were not as effective, but very few (if any) said, as rustbuckets claimed, that any coach would be an upgrade.
And Doublea makes a good point. Ty tried to be Jerry II. And that was the wrong type of coach for a young team with different personnel.
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This.
Doesn't rustbucket know that Sloan is a hall of famer and one of the best of All time?
Jamezz
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I remember him saying that too, just couldn't find any footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p1SuVo4LP0
Oh snap, Bill! What happened? So you would have taken Exum at 4 at the time of the draft but now Utah have screwed it up and would regret taking him at 5, cuz there are tons of players after him that are so much better?
You hypocrite!
Oh snap, Bill! What happened? So you would have taken Exum at 4 at the time of the draft but now Utah have screwed it up and would regret taking him at 5, cuz there are tons of players after him that are so much better?
You hypocrite!
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Joe Bagadonuts
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Damn you. Your comments made me waste a whole bunch of time listening to the drivel that goes on between Simmons and Rose. The end result is that I would be very surprised if he ever said what you recall him saying. He wasn't down on Exum but he never seemed too high on him, either. They both say some nice things about him at the 40 minute mark of the live broadcast which you can see here: [url[/MEDIA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgpBsnLZLd8[/url]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OezMY55QfRA
They talk about him a lot in this podcast too. They both expected him to go to Orlando. Rose thought we would take Gary Harris and Simmons said they'd better trade down if they were going to do that. At 24:20 they absolutely crucify Corbin. At 26:20 Simmons says he wants Utah to take Vonleh because he doesn't like him and Boston has the next pick.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to stitches again.
Anyone...?
You guys realize it's their job to address what happened over the summer? And most of Exum's showing were very mixed. Especially he couldn't finish around the basket, which was an expectation about him going in.
And by having such a long rant about something you perceive as garbage you're making that stuff legit. And you'll tune in the next time they address the Jazz in any way because you wanna follow op your rant with another one.
And by having such a long rant about something you perceive as garbage you're making that stuff legit. And you'll tune in the next time they address the Jazz in any way because you wanna follow op your rant with another one.