Bill Simmons: Prediction No. 1: Utah tries like hell to trade up for Jabari Parker.

[Bawse Dawg]

Anyone but Burks!

 

[orangello]

Imagine if we had gotten top 3. We could get Jabari without having to give up picks/members of the core. God damn it.

Please don't make me relive that night.

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Go get Jabari, but Simmons' offer is too steep.

 

[LjJazzman]

I'd give up A LOT of assets for Jabari, but like a lot of you have said, Bills offer is just a bit too much.

IF we get Jabari I want us to still have one of Hayward or Burks. If we traded Burks to get Jabari then I'd want to see us resign Hayward, but i'd prefer to let Hayward walk and have Jabari and Burks.

 

[Hotdog]

Go get Jabari, but Simmons' offer is too steep.

how is it too steep?

What's the plan bro? Just keep cycling through the years and picks hoping and waiting for the next Lebron to come walking through the free agency front doors?

What the hell are we going to do with a bunch of average players?

We won't ever be closer to nabbing a top player. You have to take a risk. We can't wait til the whole league knows Jabari is a stud. No one will trade him to us at that point. Nor will anyone trade any top player to us.

If Jabari ends up a top 5 player in 5 years that package will seem ridiculously worth it.

Foresight > Hindsight.

Being scared is how you never get anywhere.

 

[illyasova]

There is no way in hell I'm doing 5th 23rd and Burks for 3rd.


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Exactly. Youngsters + 5th pick make jazz better. Also if he were not a mormon, would jazz insist on him that much? I really wonder the honest answer

 

[infection]

Lolz at not wanting to give up Burks for Jabari.

As mentioned, I'd be willing to put up Burks plus any draft pick this year, and next year or GSW. It's time to try to contend and we'll have to take a reasonable gamble. We're not going to contend by having the league's largest collection of solid role players.

 

[yamers]

I just dont think Parker will be as good as everybody is hyping him up to be.

I just dont know how he is going to defend anybody in the nba....

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Doesn't Jabari weigh like 400 lbs by now? It's hilarious how down people are on this dude. He is simply the best NBA-ready player in the draft. He is gonna kill it in the NBA. If we get him, we should be dancing in the streets.

Yeah, I remember well back in the day when the standard line for Evan Turner was that he was the 'most NBA-ready player in the draft.'

 

[Hotdog]

If I'm the Jazz I say, what do you want? Everything is on the table.

I'd trade anyone of our current players (or two) plus picks for Jabari.

 

[cowhide]

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The more Bill talks on TV the more he starts sounding like Chad Ford. Stick to writing Bill. Sorry but just because a player is Mormon doesn't mean the Jazz are going to go after him. Look at Jimmer, the Jazz had a better chance of moving up for Jimmer who at the time was more popular than Parker has ever been.

It is virtually impossible to get the second or third pick in this draft. There is no way that I would give Burks + #5 + #23 and then he wants us to throw in another 1st rounder. I know everyone is comparing Parker to Pierce and they're alike in some ways but Pierce is a SF straight up while Parker you don't know what position he can play. Pierce' s defense when he was younger was very good. He could even guard some SG.
The biggest concerns, I have with Parker is, Can he guard anyone and what position can he play? In this way he is more like Jimmer, a tweener.

There is no hope for any franchise if they start taking guys for marketing purposes instead of basketball talent. Besides the fact, there are many Jazz fans who either don't care about Parker's religion or would be alienated if they promoted it in a sports venue. The little I know of Parker is that he wants to be know has a basketball player and not a Mormon basketball player, his faith seems to be very important to him but he doesn't go around publicly broadcasting it. He seems to be a person who wants to show how good of a person he is and let everyone worry about what impact that this has on you and your perception of his religion. I could be wrong since I don't know him but I've followed him and he doesn't seem like he is an in your face type of Mormon.

I have complete faith that DL is smarter than just selecting a guy because he would help to sell a few more tickets and jersey but I am not against it if they really believe he is the best player. However, I don't think the difference between any player is worth that Simmon's crazy deal. That deal is for a player like Lebron, MJ or Magic, Bird etc...

 

[cowhide]

Exactly. Youngsters + 5th pick make jazz better. Also if he were not a mormon, would jazz insist on him that much? I really wonder the honest answer

Would fans be wanting him so badly?

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Exactly. Youngsters + 5th pick make jazz better. Also if he were not a mormon, would jazz insist on him that much? I really wonder the honest answer

The honest answer is that Parker being Mormon has Zero impact on any decision to go after Parker. DL won't keep his job by making the casual Mormon fan happy. Any honeymoon DL and Parker get from the same crowd who cheered for Jimmer to hit the winning shot against the Jazz will be short-lived if it doesn't produce wins. Will Jazz fans be any less enthusiastic about a deep playoff run if it's being led by a bunch of non-Mormons? I don't think so. This whole Parker/Mormon narrative is so f'n asinine.

 

[cowhide]

Jabari is your scoring leader who you run your offense through. He will be an All Star.

yea a guy who could get his team out of the first round of the NCAA. So if he scores 23 pts a game. how many does he give up?

 

[orangello]

As a Mormon, I'd prefer that Jabari goes somewhere besides Utah.

 

[Hotdog]

The more Bill talks on TV the more he starts sounding like Chad Ford. Stick to writing Bill. Sorry but just because a player is Mormon doesn't mean the Jazz are going to go after him. Look at Jimmer, the Jazz had a better chance of moving up for Jimmer who at the time was more popular than Parker has ever been.

It is virtually impossible to get the second or third pick in this draft. There is no way that I would give Burks + #5 + #23 and then he wants us to throw in another 1st rounder. I know everyone is comparing Parker to Pierce and they're alike in some ways but Pierce is a SF straight up while Parker you don't know what position he can play. Pierce' s defense when he was younger was very good. He could even guard some SG.
The biggest concerns, I have with Parker is, Can he guard anyone and what position can he play? In this way he is more like Jimmer, a tweener.

There is no hope for any franchise if they start taking guys for marketing purposes instead of basketball talent. Besides the fact, there are many Jazz fans who either don't care about Parker's religion or would be alienated if they promoted it in a sports venue. The little I know of Parker is that he wants to be know has a basketball player and not a Mormon basketball player, his faith seems to be very important to him but he doesn't go around publicly broadcasting it. He seems to be a person who wants to show how good of a person he is and let everyone worry about what impact that this has on you and your perception of his religion. I could be wrong since I don't know him but I've followed him and he doesn't seem like he is an in your face type of Mormon.

I have complete faith that DL is smarter than just selecting a guy because he would help to sell a few more tickets and jersey but I am not against it if they really believe he is the best player. However, I don't think the difference between any player is worth that Simmon's crazy deal. That deal is for a player like Lebron, MJ or Magic, Bird etc...

Another terrible comparison of Jimmer to Jabari.

It's not the same.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Exactly. Youngsters + 5th pick make jazz better. Also if he were not a mormon, would jazz insist on him that much? I really wonder the honest answer

It's just common sense. I'm shocked at how some here are willing to sell the future away.


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[cowhide]

If true that they do like Randle. Then wouldn't just the 5 & 23 be enough? I thought I heard the 2017 class was as good as this one???


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You do not trade unprotected 1st rounders. They can come back and bite you. The Clippers did it and the pick ended up being Kyrie Irving. Jazz did it years ago and the pick turned out to be Magic Johnson.

I think people should hold tight because Parker could fall. He was rated as low as #7 in some preseason mocks. Trades could change the whole thing or Parker could be sitting there at #5.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You do not trade unprotected 1st rounders. They can come back and bite you. The Clippers did it and the pick ended up being Kyrie Irving. Jazz did it years ago and the pick turned out to be Magic Johnson.

I think people should hold tight because Parker could fall. He was rated as low as #7 in some preseason mocks. Trades could change the whole thing or Parker could be sitting there at #5.

Or it could just be some scrub and we have Jabari Parker.

 

[cowhide]

It's just common sense. I'm shocked at how some here are willing to sell the future away.


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Common sense isn't included when emotions are involved that is why religion shouldn't be part of business decisions because it is too personal and people lose their objectivity. Look how people where going crazy over Tebow, common sense told most people that he isn't an NFL quarterback and probably never will be but the Christian crowd went nuts over the guy because they identify with him, nothing wrong with that, however sometimes it messes up your ability to make good decisions.