Brexit
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sort of makes me sad - it looks like the vote to exit has prevailed
seems like a blow towards globalization and a step towards isolationism
not to mention a tanking stock market for the next couple of weeks
seems like a blow towards globalization and a step towards isolationism
not to mention a tanking stock market for the next couple of weeks
Well get use to it cause when The Donald defeats Billary he will exit us out of every stupid world trade treaty that took are jobs. Mexico an China are targets one an two. We will cripple the both into submission like a abused dog!
Duck Rodgers
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Awesome result for the Brits. Sovereignty is a beautiful thing. Though it sounds like they have years of bureaucratic process still to go through before it's an actual reality. But good start nonetheless. Hopefully more countries follow. Nobody needs these supranational institutions lording over them.
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what sucks about Brexit (among other things) is the fact that one of its (if not THE) main driving forces was bigotry.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Do you think it's bigoted of a healthy country to choose not to pay for unhealthy countries in a socialized system? Economic failure seems to be an inevitable destination of socialist governments because eventually there aren't enough people left paying the bills. How many times do we need to see this cycle play out before we're going to recognize that socialism doesn't work?
bigotry cuts both ways. People can be bigots who completely disregard the opinions and beliefs and decisions of others, say, like calling people who vote for national independence from a corrupt phony supergovernment scheme that is essentially run by fascist corporate stooges "bigots".
ah, but who will even understand that sentence. It's usually useless talking to morons. Almost as useless as being one. lol
The picture of a dichotomy with globalization on one side and isolationism on the other is a false picture.
depends on some of the relevant arrangements of the "globalization" and the "isolationism".
When the "globalism" is not a democratic form of government, but a collection of managers selected by a hodge-podge of special interests, and there are no identified "inalienable human rights" but instead of list of limited state-given "privileges", and when very very wealthy elites hold all the levers of real power, what you are losing is actually a totalitarian fascism with more ambitions for unrestrained power than any dictatorship the world has ever known.
However, it will take Parliament and many bureaucratic specific actions to make the vote meaningful. I doubt the political establishment will act on the vote.
On the "isolationism" side, I'm pretty sure the Brits are still pretty cosmopolitan, with losts of interests in the world beyond their borders or their empire. Their decision is simple to leave the European Union, which happens to be particularly and painfully inept and worthless beyond belief, besides being abysmally corrupt.
This vote is a popular referendum on the British corollary to the US Council of Foreign Relations.
Here in the United States, this election is shaping up as a popular referendum on the US Council of Foreign Relations and the progressive agenda embraced by the United Nations. A pretty steep battle for the "isolationists" who believe in broad principles of human rights that demand limitations on governmental powers.
I expect the British Pound to become much stronger. Go sooner than later.
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*yawn*
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- talk of 'socialist governments' monolithically is language for the childish, and for simpletons. You're neither, so you can do better. Your propaganda may work on the uneducated, but fortunately fewer and fewer of us belong in that group as the years climb
- Putin is the biggest winner today. UK role in world diminishes, US is weaker because their closest ally is weaker, EU is weaker, Europe more divided. To mr Rah-Rah America, isn't this worrying?
yeah but perhaps it's better to be a moron than just sound like one all the time
don't take that personally babe
:wink:
Jonah
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Interesting to see how this plays out in the coming months and years; it will take years for the UK to renegotiate new trade agreements and immigration and travel policies. Meanwhile, one unintended consequence of Great Britain leaving the European Union could be end of the United Kingdom itself. England and Wales narrowly voted to leave the EU, whereas Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to stay, both by overwhelming, near 60 to 40 margins. Now Scotland will most likely hold another referendum on independence, so it's entirely possible that Scotland leaves the United Kingdom before what’s left of Britain leaves the EU.
when I wrote that I knew I was leaving open the interpretation that I speak knowledgeably about the uselessness of being an idiot, strictly first-hand observation.
Dal might not have read it that way.
When I pompously attack anyone on any issue, there is an element of the comment that is directed at myself. Still I persist, somehow, being everything I loathe.
The referendum was non-binding.
No doubt, after all the posturing and pretensions, the "real government" will remain the same.
I don't know, Cameron's already announced his resignation. I think with the way the British system of government works, changes take effect more quickly and in a more pronounced fashion than the U.S.
Joe Bagadonuts
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I can understand why the evidence would be upsetting to a fan of socialism so your attempted insult doesn't bother me. Go on with your sophisticated analysis of why your utopian society should theoretically be so much better. I'll stick to the basics of what actually happens when far-reaching income equalization programs are implemented.
It's not my decision how the UK decides to proceed, but I can understand why a British citizen might feel they would be better off as an independent nation. It seems to me that they got plenty of warning about the short term problems this action would cause, and they decided to rip that band-aid off anyway. They must really believe that it's something that needs to be done.
Joe Bagadonuts
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He had promised to resign if the vote went this way so his action is not unexpected in the least. He staked his political future to it. He really had no alternative.
Jonah
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"The British people have made a choice, that not only needs to be respected but those on the losing side of the argument - myself included - should help to make it work.”
--Prime Minister, David Cameron, upon learning the results of the vote.
Further, it’s binding enough that Cameron has already resigned and a new government will be formed in October to negotiate the terms of leaving the EU. In the coming weeks the Scottish National Party is expected to call for a new referendum on independence. So there is, at the very least, some doubt as to what remains the same.