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Gameface said:
I think I'll start saving up for my UK trip. I've wanted to visit for a long time, maybe this will bring prices down enough to make it affordable.
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Trump said the exact same thing. Now more people can visit his golf resort in Scotland. I guess great minds think alike.
 
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JimLes said:
Nope, that's bigotry. You can maintain your traditions at a personal level all you want, but when you start demanding that society freeze in time and everyone else maintain the same traditions and way of life, you're a bigot. When you demand that your neighbours stay the same colour or religion as you, that's bigotry. There's no ifs or buts about that.
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*rolls eyes*
 
Scat said:
*rolls eyes*
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Roll your eyes all you want. Culture is an ever evolving thing. I'm glad our culture today is different than it was 200 years ago. And I don't think any culture owns any nation. I'd fight against any such thing to my dying breath.
 
Gameface said:
Roll your eyes all you want.
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Thanks. I thought you'd never ask.
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anyhoooo

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:rollseyes:
 
Gameface said:
Roll your eyes all you want. Culture is an ever evolving thing. I'm glad our culture today is different than it was 200 years ago. And I don't think any culture owns any nation. I'd fight against any such thing to my dying breath.
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So, if someone fights against cultural change they are a bigot but if they accept other cultures and adopt them they are committing cultural appropriation which is viewed as oppression of said culture. **** it. I'm going to go make a taco and drink some Corona. I refuse to listen to mariachi music however.
 
Scat said:
So, if someone fights against cultural change they are a bigot but if they accept other cultures and adopt them they are committing cultural appropriation which is viewed as oppression of said culture. **** it. I'm going to go make a taco and drink some Corona.
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Embrace your bigotry.
 
Some interesting perspective on the politics behind Brexit. Trump supporters, pay attention.

https://indy100.independent.co.uk/a...-david-cameron-and-brexit-is-true--bJhqBql0VZ

If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

How?

Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.

And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legislation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-manoeuvred and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.
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I really hope this triggers a dismemberment of the EU and we go back to when each country governed itself and had it's own currency. All we have now is a bunch of unelected bureaucrats in Brussels who say what, when and how things need to be done in each country in the EU. An oligarchy that needs to end at once!

The Spanish people pay taxes to the Spanish government, who owes money to the Spanish Central Bank, who owes money to the European Central Bank. Bring the wealth closer to the people, too many hands on it! AAAAARGH!!!

España Libre coño!!!
 
Jamezz said:
I really hope this triggers a dismemberment of the EU and we go back to when each country governed itself and had it's own currency. All we have now is a bunch of unelected bureaucrats in Brussels who say what, when and how things need to be done in each country in the EU. An oligarchy that needs to end at once!

The Spanish people pay taxes to the Spanish government, who owes money to the Spanish Central Bank, who owes money to the European Central Bank. Bring the wealth closer to the people, too many hands on it! AAAAARGH!!!

España Libre coño!!!
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...ndum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit
 
I read somewhere that one of the main reasons for creating the EU was to prevent another World War through integration and mutual cooperation .... would be interesting to see how this pans out now politically across Europe.
 
candrew said:
Brexit and its aftermath is a glaring example of why the adults need to be in charge. I'm hoping the Trump voters who aren't slack jawed yokels will recognize this.
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So you're saying that the majority of people in Great Britain are childish for wanting to leave the EU? This doesn't even make sense. The people of Great Britain have spoken and we should all respect their decision.
 
candrew said:
Brexit and its aftermath is a glaring example of why the adults need to be in charge. I'm hoping the Trump voters who aren't slack jawed yokels will recognize this.
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So, anyway, I'm tired of annoying Game.

There's this little fact, when it comes to human bias or prejudices, and how we use language, that the things we say just drip and stink with point of view. Some folks above were throwing the epithet, which I find useless, of "bigotry" around.

"Bigotry" is a useless word because it actually has no meaning, it's an unverifieable and indefinable "insult" that people use to discredit others' points of view and assert that their own are superior somehow.

you can be termed a bigot for having any notion under the sun, any preference of one thing over another. Liberals can be bigots for the presumption that their notions of progress are anything good, conservatives can be bigots for their notions of anything that can be preserved of their comfort zone are preferable in any sense.

you presume a lot in terming some people "adult" and you're a bigot for implying anyone is immature somehow. You are a bigot for implying "Trump voters" are "slack jawed yokels" somehow, and that you're one tiny bit smarter.

What the problem with "Brexist" really amounts to is that a lot of people are dissatisfied with the carefully-developed plans of the super elites for managing the world, Britain in particular.

What people generally realize from their experience with this kind of governance is that they have lost the human rights they cherish, and still imagine they have, and a thousand years of struggle for those rights has been compromised by the smooth-talking charlatans who imagine they are superior to the common man.

Trump is anything but an ideologue, or an intellectual, but he can recognize people's feelings and ideas and respond to them appropriately. That, in my opinion, makes him a genius. If he wants to validate those human aspirations, he's a better leader than the whole ship of fools that is globalism.
 
Scat said:
So, if someone fights against cultural change they are a bigot but if they accept other cultures and adopt them they are committing cultural appropriation which is viewed as oppression of said culture. **** it. I'm going to go make a taco and drink some Corona. I refuse to listen to mariachi music however.
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Whole lotta cryin. I hope your Breitbart subscription pacifies you.
 
dalamon said:
Whole lotta cryin. I hope your Breitbart subscription pacifies you.
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You don't have any bearings about the whole of "Western Civilization". Of course global fascism is your ticket, your way forward, why would anyone from a culture that recognizes no human rights think otherwise.

Cameron, the Ho for the global elite, failed to charm the Brits enough to win the vote, and like any good but disgraced. . . . well, anyway, failed. . . . cheerleader for the Matrix, he must fall on his sword and politically die for The Cause.

Breitbart is probably the premier advocate for representative democracy on the planet, for the whole idea of government that can only be legitimized by the consent of the governed. Probably useless to try to pull you out of your Dark Ages mindset, though.

A lot of people are amazed, as I am, that the Brits could still vote for a government they hope to make their own.
 
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