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Saint Cy of JFC

Saint Cy of JFC

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I feel very strongly against keeping Favors. I would also try to trade Joe Johnson (and Alec Burks, but I'm not giving thing up to dump him, and I doubt we can do that).

We have Ricky Rubio and Rudy Gobert. Those are our two most talented players on the roster, build around them. That's means shooting, shooting, shooting.

Luckily we have Hood/Mitchell who both seem like they could really benefit from a guy like Rubio. I think that is our SWOTF (Starting wings of the future). Since the PF market is so ****ing bone dry, both in trades and FA, we should start Ingles at PF.

Rubio/Exum/Neto
Mitchell/Burks
Hood
Ingles/Bolomboy
Gobert/Bradley

Fill in the bench w/ w/e were able to get out of the trades. Experiment the **** out of small lineups focus around Rubio/Gobert.

Basically what we need to figure out is what we can get for Joe Johnson, Boris Diaw, and Derrick Favors.

Another poster suggested two players I found intriguing: Mario Hezonja and Stanley Johnson. Both are "bust" by current consensus, but are big wings who have talent and athletic ability. Maybe they could thrive in Utah's system?

Working the trade machine this is what I was able to come up with:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7q83x3g
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydhepm4w

I'm guessing both teams (Orlando and Detroit) want to make playoffs and Joe Johnson gives them a vet leader who can shoot. Both teams desperately need shooting, so that is my basis of logic of why they *may* want these deals. Of those deals I probably prefer Hezonja just because we don't have to take back salary into 2018-2019 like we do for Detroit (but I think the Detroit deal might be more realistic).

As far as Diaw goes, you have to look at the heavily LT strapped teams, like Portland.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7easxbp

Is Portland desperate enough to just dump Harkless? I dont know.

Cleveland is the next team. They were rumored to want to dump Shumpert. Could the Jazz offer Diaw up to get Cedi Osman while taking on a salary dump?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8ousg2j


That's all I have atm for trade ideas. They all probably suck, are completely unrealistic, and will never happen.
 
we just need to wait for Jaylen Brown or Tatum to come up for their next contract and offer them the MAX to screw the Celtics and take one of their guys.
 
This is an extremely solid post. I think we could trade Johnson for a 1st-round pick around the trade deadline like LAL did with Lou Williams this year.

I think Portland is the team I would target as far as trades go. Would they give up a 1st to dump Harkless or Crabbe? If so, I think that would be a good idea.


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I'd talk with JJ before trading him. If he wants to stay I'd keep him.

I think we may have to trade Favs... I don't think he's happy. If not start him and just make the game ugly... win ugly. IDK

I think we run it back but maybe take a flyer on Hezonja, Johnson, or someone. I don't want Ingles at the 4... I know positionless basketball, but i don't want him there and Mitchell should have no problem just coming off the bench. Give him an appropriate role this first year.

I wouldn't ignore FA either. there will be some good gets. I would rather see us take shots on guys like Tyreke Evans rather than Rudy Gay.

The cool thing is we don't have to have an agenda now... we don't have to appease a prospective free agent. We have some latitude to fail and experiment. All is not lost.
 
White Chocolate said:
This is an extremely solid post. I think we could trade Johnson for a 1st-round pick around the trade deadline like LAL did with Lou Williams this year.

I think Portland is the team I would target as far as trades go. Would they give up a 1st to dump Harkless or Crabbe? If so, I think that would be a good idea.


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No way they give up anything to dump Harkless. I think if they want to dump him, they just can just dump him straight up. He is a good enough player a lot of teams would want him at that contract. They could probably get 2nd rounders back for giving him away, at the worst.

Crabbe, maybe, but he has a 15% trade kicker and 3 years left. Even for Utah, that is probably too rich to take on.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'd talk with JJ before trading him. If he wants to stay I'd keep him.

I think we may have to trade Favs... I don't think he's happy. If not start him and just make the game ugly... win ugly. IDK

I think we run it back but maybe take a flyer on Hezonja, Johnson, or someone. I don't want Ingles at the 4... I know positionless basketball, but i don't want him there and Mitchell should have no problem just coming off the bench. Give him an appropriate role this first year.

I wouldn't ignore FA either. there will be some good gets. I would rather see us take shots on guys like Tyreke Evans rather than Rudy Gay.

The cool thing is we don't have to have an agenda now... we don't have to appease a prospective free agent. We have some latitude to fail and experiment. All is not lost.
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So if you are for experimenting, why are you against Ingles at the 4?
 
Good effort and well thought out plan. I personally wouldn't mind us doing this, having in mind that my preferred plan is probably a complete no-go from our FOs perspective.
 
This would suck with Ingles showing loyalty and being such a deadeye from deep but Orlando coveted Ingles .....Ingles for Hezonja/plus would be a good move.Hezonja has great upside and Jazz stealing him away brings more talent to surround Gobert
 
tleikheen said:
This would suck with Ingles showing loyalty and being such a deadeye from deep but Orlando coveted Ingles .....Ingles for Hezonja/plus would be a good move.Hezonja has great upside and Jazz stealing him away brings more talent to surround Gobert
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No, you don't trade Ingles. He is one of the key pieces to the locker-room, which will be super important if the Jazz arent winning.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B65TKP5dUow&feature=share

Lots of assists in this short video (I'm thinking about 15 or so). Watch a Hayward season highlight video and you see less assist to scoring ratio amount in his highlights.

Some left hand finishes. Some and ones.
Last season he struggled but he also was probably the best rebounding version of him we have seen. He has become a pretty good catch and shoot 3 point shooter.

I'm excited to see him healthy this year. It's been a long time.

(I'm gonna spam the hell out of this video right now. Quite an awesome highlight video)
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
No, you don't trade Ingles. He is one of the key pieces to the locker-room, which will be super important if the Jazz arent winning.
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This. I think Ingles can be a solid (not spectacular) NBA starter. Not bad for $12/13 million. Plus he's a guy that will move to a bench role without complaining if it's the best thing for the team. Ingles signing probably had as much to do with having an adequate in house replacement for Hayward as it did with them being friends and him pitching on Utah's behalf.
 
It would be sweet if we could trade Favors for picks and then take a salary dump that included a PF.

If Burks plays well and doesn't get hurt he'd have deadline value and would be great to move.
 
fishonjazz said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B65TKP5dUow&feature=share

Lots of assists in this short video (I'm thinking about 15 or so). Watch a Hayward season highlight video and you see less assist to scoring ratio amount in his highlights.

Some left hand finishes. Some and ones.
Last season he struggled but he also was probably the best rebounding version of him we have seen. He has become a pretty good catch and shoot 3 point shooter.

I'm excited to see him healthy this year. It's been a long time.

(I'm gonna spam the hell out of this video right now. Quite an awesome highlight video)
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There is nothing I could be less excited for than watching Burks struggle to play smart basketball.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
So if you are for experimenting, why are you against Ingles at the 4?
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I don't want to put him in a bad position. With his contract it might be a bad look. I'd rather have a bigger better rebounding wing in that role... maybe a few minutes a night but not as a starter there. I view him more as a 2/3 than a 2-4. I think he might get beat up there but who knows.

I wonder what the price tag on CJ miles is. He'd be decent as the power wing 4 alongside Ingles.
 
stitches said:
More or less, depending on if we can get something great for Gobert. If not burn it down around Gobert.
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I just don't think that is reasonable... we have to go through an eff u season. If it happens organically then fine but I just think if rudy is healthy he will be out there and competing... I see no way a guy like that dials it back or is happy sitting through a rebuild.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I don't want to put him in a bad position. With his contract it might be a bad look. I'd rather have a bigger better rebounding wing in that role... maybe a few minutes a night but not as a starter there. I view him more as a 2/3 than a 2-4. I think he might get beat up there but who knows.

I wonder what the price tag on CJ miles is. He'd be decent as the power wing 4 alongside Ingles.
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Miles has never had more than 3 rebounds per game in his career......

Ingles is bigger and stronger than Miles.
 
I mean, I dont see Ingles as a guy who would complain about playing some 4. We just agreed to pay him 52 million dollars.
 
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