Burks or Rush?
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Stifle Tower
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I agree.
Rush is coming back from a serious injury. I don't see him starting. I think the plan is to have Burks be the playmaker on the 2nd unit. Hopefully he will still get 25 mins/per. Maybe bring RJ out at the 8 min mark of the 1st quarter, bring in Burks and have Hayward slide to the 3.
seattlejazzfan
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Sometimes I like to make **** up too, just to see how gullible people are too.
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Do you really think this matters that much to Lindsey? Assuming you're right on Burks' ability to run the point (I'm not convinced), what does it matter because the question is who starts and I can guarantee you Burks will not be starting at PG.
Maybe it's me.. but this sounds absurd. Who cares where they were picked?
It's about evaluating and making a decision for the future. I'm not advocating one or the other, at all, but rather trying to anticipate their moves. I doubt their criteria neither begins nor ends with where a player was drafted.
Not sure Rush is going to be a one and done. If he comes back to the level he was playing before he got injured I would start him over Burks right now. He is a great defender and shooter. Plus a guy I could see the Jazz wanting to keep.
Im in the group that would like to see Burks in the lead roll off the bench. Its what he does best.
green
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If you think Burks is in Utah's long term plans, look at the 2's Lindsey has on the roster:
Hayward
Rush
Clark
Those three are long, good defenders who are very, very good shooters.
Burks isn't long, isn't known for his defense and isn't a top notch shooter.
He doesn't fit the Lindsey mold. Lindsey has also said the Core 4 might not exist too much longer.
I just don't see a lot of support for Burks from Utah.
Hayward
Rush
Clark
Those three are long, good defenders who are very, very good shooters.
Burks isn't long, isn't known for his defense and isn't a top notch shooter.
He doesn't fit the Lindsey mold. Lindsey has also said the Core 4 might not exist too much longer.
I just don't see a lot of support for Burks from Utah.
Hotdog
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I think it does matter some where they are picked. Its an investment of sorts. You don't want to just throw an investment down the drain. Otherwise what's the point of drafting someone if you are committed to seeing the process through to some degree. Its a waste of franchise value imo.
candrew
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OK - then what's the decision based on what evaluation process? To have a revolving door of mediocre veterans playing the SG position until they fall *** backwards into someone other than Alec Burks who they can actually make a commitment to? If The Jazz had a plan that made sense then I'd be all for it - even if it meant trading the ****ing guy.
As far as the fact of Burks being a lottery pick, that's just a point of reference. The overwhelmingly more important factor is that for 2 season in a row now, when he has been given consistent minutes he has performed well - better than Raja Bell, better than Randy Foye and comparable to Gordon Hayward. Only to be jerked back into spot minutes at the end of the bench for some reason.
Agreeing to disagree..
candrew
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Rush is a UFA after next season - the decision to stay is his regardless of what The Jazz want. Burks on the other hand is under contract for next year. The Jazz could trade Burks and that would changes things a bit. But Rush is coming into his prime. I'd say the odds of him re-signing in Utah if The Jazz keep Burks is definitely under 50%.
If Rush is in a good 3 man rotation with Hay and Burks, is getting the playing time, and feels he could be a part of a good young team going forward I see no reason why he wouldn't want to resign. It all depends on the fit. I think he is a guy that he Jazz well spend money on if it works this year with him.
Hotdog
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Some good points here.
I'm running out of time as well. I can fit this post into the 11:10 pm slot tonight to be responded to.
Hotdog
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I can fit you in about 11:15 pm tonight. Sound good?
lol
Stifle Tower
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Sometimes you make mistakes and your original assessment was wrong. Then it becomes an issue of opportunity cost. If I have a stock that I really liked and it's chugging along at a very low or even negative return..even if I was "SURE" the rate of return was going to be much higher, I don't hold onto it indefinitely, hoping it will get better. Once I've identified a better opportunity, I sell and move on. Maybe I even take a loss.
Not saying that's where the Jazz are with Burks. Even if he has a decent year and the BPA in the draft is a SG, you draft the SG. If they co-exist, fine. If not, you decide which asset to keep and trade the other. And I'd say the same thing about Randle. If the Jazz end up at #2 and Randle is ranked significantly better than Jabari, the Jazz should draft Randle, even if it leads to a later trade of another big.
GVC
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What?
Burks is not much of an off-ball player, and not a good enough iso player/creator to make noise as a starter. If he's to become a good rotation player, it'll probably be as a 6th man. Suits his skill set/physical profile perfectly (if he develops a bit). Sticking him on the starting unit could potentially retard his development, as he won't get the touches/responsibility needed as a 4th option.