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Burks - what is his MAX we can offer ?

ijazz

ijazz

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Kanter will not be in play for big $$$ due to injuries IMO.

Burks is.

What is the MAZ we can offer him ?

I know GH got 4/63.

We could have offered him 5 years before the Charlotte deal but opted not to.

So, comparing to Hayward, let's stay at 4 year.

What would be his 4 year MAX ?
 
I believe it's TBD based on the cap next summer. You can extend for "MAX" that's not known yet. I might be making this up from a dream or something doe.
 
Ok, stitches can correct me if I'm wrong since I screwed up my second post re: salaries in PKM's thread.

First, let's assume he isn't named the league MVP.
So Burks would be eligible for a 5/25% deal. However, max salaries are actually determined on BRI, not the salary cap. A rough estimate is somewhere between 23-24% of the cap (not the 25%). Jazz could also offer him 7.5% raises each year (other teams can only offer 4.5%).

No way of knowing exactly what his starting salary could be until BRI is determined. Let's say it starts around $16M (that assumes BRI increases by around $5M, about the same amount as it did last season). Jazz could then offer yearly increases of $1.2M. So roughly a 4 yr, $71M contract or 5/$82M.

franklin, you are correct: "max" can be determined later. IIRC, this is exactly what happened with Paul George. The Pacers agreed upon a max contract and by virtue of making an all-NBA team (I think it was 2nd or 3rd team), George actually became eligible for a 5/30% deal.
 
If Burks is a 16-18 PPG guy next season, he's going to get paid. Probably to the tune of $10M - $12M per.

Kanter needs to get his **** together quick, otherwise he'll be the odd man out. Especially if Gobert continues to make strides.
 
Someone remind me, why do we want to give Burks a max contract again?
 
Core4 said:
WHEW!!!
I thought it was going to be "Posted...to correct core4's mistake!" :cool:
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:D wait for it, there is a slight correction(I think it's might be simply mistype on your part).

new edit: so Core4, in general you are right - it's kinda complicated(they use lower figure for estimation of BRI when calculating max salary than when they calculate salary cap and thus max salary and salary cap become dependent on different figures), but in essence you are right - it's not exactly 25%, but it's close enough, as you said(23-24%).

In multi-year contracts only the first year is set to the max and you have restrictions of 7.5% raise(on basis of first year) for any subsequent year. So yah. If first year of the extension is 16 million, the raise will be 1.2m. So you have first year 16, second year 17.2, third year 18.4 and fourth year 19.6, and if we decide to make him a designated player fifth year of 20.8. This comes to 4/71 or (here's the correction) 5/92...
 
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Yes, a typo on my part. Thanks.
And I did know that the 7.5% (or 4.5%) raises are not compounded.

In the end, I think Utah (and Burks) will want to do exactly the same as they did with Hayward. Jazz will make an offer, but Burks will believe he's being undervalued. He'll go out and test the market. Even if the Jazz match, it would - at worst - be a 4-yr contract with 4.5% raises. I won't predict what it will be...never in my wildest dreams did I think Hayward would get a max offer. So maybe Burks, with a very good season comes in at $12M? But you never know in this market, with the cap increasing.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Someone remind me, why do we want to give Burks a max contract again?
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This is the collateral damage from signing a mediocre Gordon Hayward to a max contract. If Burks has a breakout year, which I think he will, how the hell is he or his agent NOT going to expect the max given the horrible precedent set this summer?
 
akirac73 said:
This is the collateral damage from signing a mediocre Gordon Hayward to a max contract. If Burks has a breakout year, which I think he will, how the hell is he or his agent NOT going to expect the max given the horrible precedent set this summer?
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He'll never get it straight from Utah. That offer sheet was dictated by the market, not the Jazz. We did choose to match but that wouldn't automatically be the case with Alec. If he goes out and gets a max deal from somebody, I gotta think we let him walk. Unless he just explodes this season.
 
akirac73 said:
This is the collateral damage from signing a mediocre Gordon Hayward to a max contract. If Burks has a breakout year, which I think he will, how the hell is he or his agent NOT going to expect the max given the horrible precedent set this summer?
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Not really, if players think they can get max contract, it is because there are other teams willing to give them that offer, not because we matched it. If we had not matched it, Hayward still would have gotten max and players still would have thought they can get max for sub-par performance.
 
stitches said:
Not really, if players think they can get max contract, it is because there are other teams willing to give them that offer, not because we matched it. If we had not matched it, Hayward still would have gotten max and players still would have thought they can get max for sub-par performance.
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Exactly!
And this is precisely why Utah needs to keep drafting well. Jazz WILL lose players here and there. But I'm very confident Hood will be a great rotation player some day. So if Burks gets too high an offer, maybe Utah doesn't match and they sign a cheaper backup with Hood and Hayward starting.

Still think, though, that Enes is on pretty shaky ground. Quin's system puts more of a premium on shooting. Can Enes be a "stretch 4?"
 
bigmike said:
If Burks is a 16-18 PPG guy next season, he's going to get paid. Probably to the tune of $10M - $12M per.

Kanter needs to get his **** together quick, otherwise he'll be the odd man out. Especially if Gobert continues to make strides.
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Nick Young, 17.9 ppg in limited minutes, just signed $21.5mm/4, and comes with who dat who dat I-G-G-Y.

Burks is not an appreciably better scorer but is probably a better all around team player, and a bit younger. I would be surprised if that buys Burks a $2mm/yr premium if it weren't for the speed of projected cap increases.
 
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