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But...like really.....how the **** are we gonna get a star?

Assholes gonna be assholes dala

Brush your shoulders off
 
Core4 said:
Then Utah is in FANTASTIC shape. Five top-10 picks and another on the way:
Favors, Kanter, Hayward, Burke, Marvin and ?
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Utah is in fantastic shape if they add Parker or Wiggins. If they add Smart or Exumm then they are just another crappy team with too much ok talent and no #1. The key is, they have to lose NOW.
 
green said:
Utah is in fantastic shape if they add Parker or Wiggins. If they add Smart or Exumm then they are just another crappy team with too much ok talent and no #1. The key is, they have to lose NOW.
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My point was that not all top-10 talent is alike.
 
Core4 said:
My point was that not all top-10 talent is alike.
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Nope, it isn't. But talent is talent and you need that superstar, which we don't have and the only way we will get it is to draft it, and the most likely place to find it in the draft is in the top 3 picks.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
We just need to get a player who has the potential for top-20 play.

A Lebron or Durant isn't available. A guy who is consensus top-5 all the time. We can get a guy like an Aldridge, Lillard, Griffin, etc. Someone who doesn't really jump out as being a top 15 guy, but has the potential on any given night to play at that level.
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Lillard said when he went to weber state that Utah was a cultural shock. So doubt he ever returns to Utah to live. Griffin I could see and Aldridge I could see but no way is Portland giving up LA or Lillard. Told yall to draft Meyers Leonard. He is athletic and the most important things to Utah fans he is white
 
ncoloradojazz said:
Lillard said when he went to weber state that Utah was a cultural shock. So doubt he ever returns to Utah to live. Griffin I could see and Aldridge I could see but no way is Portland giving up LA or Lillard. Told yall to draft Meyers Leonard. He is athletic and the most important things to Utah fans he is white
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Fresh/unique point of view. Please, tell me more.
 
ncoloradojazz said:
Lillard said when he went to weber state that Utah was a cultural shock. So doubt he ever returns to Utah to live. Griffin I could see and Aldridge I could see but no way is Portland giving up LA or Lillard. Told yall to draft Meyers Leonard. He is athletic and the most important things to Utah fans he is white
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Why those two? Do they ski, enjoy long hikes in the canyons and fishing with Troutbum?

Seriously, the race or religion card is so overplayed. How many months does an NBA season last? And of the 7 months they're playing or in training camp, how much free time do they get? And of that time, a lot is spent on the road or spent traveling to/from.

Players have 5 months to live anywhere they want. I'm sure if a player is so inclined, he can find plenty of activities to suit his tastes in Utah. Maybe some are not as readily accessible as in South Beach, LA, New York, etc., but they're out there. And, ncj, if you've read any other threads on this board you'll see we really don't care if a player is white. Half of us are hoping Hayward gets traded so we have a better chance to get Wiggins. Hmmm....
 
Paul George is no superstar. Yet. You always take big defensive player rather than defensive perimeters but George's offense is enough to make him borderline superstar.

Would Hay-George at wing would be better than Lance-George? I think Hayward is better off the ball player than Lance.
 
Hekate said:
Paul George is no superstar. Yet. You always take big defensive player rather than defensive perimeters but George's offense is enough to make him borderline superstar.

Would Hay-George at wing would be better than Lance-George? I think Hayward is better off the ball player than Lance.
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If I'm pairing them, I would take Stephenson. Doesn't seem to struggle with pressure as much, better defender, better rebounder, not quite as good of a shooter.

On their own, Hayward > Stephenson, but I like the Stephenson pairing with George more than I would like Hayward with George.
 
Hantlers said:
If I'm pairing them, I would take Stephenson. Doesn't seem to struggle with pressure as much, better defender, better rebounder, not quite as good of a shooter.

On their own, Hayward > Stephenson, but I like the Stephenson pairing with George more than I would like Hayward with George.
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I can see that argument but Hay's shooting and off the ball movement could free up more space for George. For a guy shooting %56 from 2 point land he gets to the line less than Hayward and shoots only %69 from there. I see them equals in defense but Hay has twice the steals Lance has. 0.7 to 1.4. Blocks 0.1 to 0.7 in Hay's favour as well.

I don't think rebounding would matter because George is pretty good rebounder too.
 
Hekate said:
I can see that argument but Hay's shooting and off the ball movement could free up more space for George. For a guy shooting %56 from 2 point land he gets to the line less than Hayward and shoots only %69 from there. I see them equals in defense but Hay has twice the steals Lance has. 0.7 to 1.4. Blocks 0.1 to 0.7 in Hay's favour as well.

I don't think rebounding would matter because George is pretty good rebounder too.
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Steals and blocks are quite possibly the worst way to analyze defensive efficiency. Plus, having a SG who can average 7 rebounds is a huge advantage for a team, I think you're underestimating how important that is. Hayward is the better outside shooter, but Stephenson appears to be a more efficient scorer IMO. Plus he's shown rapid improvement where Hayward hasn't...or at least he hasn't as much.
 
Hantlers said:
Steals and blocks are quite possibly the worst way to analyze defensive efficiency. Plus, having a SG who can average 7 rebounds is a huge advantage for a team, I think you're underestimating how important that is. Hayward is the better outside shooter, but Stephenson appears to be a more efficient scorer IMO. Plus he's shown rapid improvement where Hayward hasn't...or at least he hasn't as much.
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That is why I haven't said Hayward is better defensively just pointing out stats. Rebounding is definitely a important thing but with George being a great rebounder, having Hibbert and West, though neither of them is an elite rebounder, Lance's rebounding seems more like sharing rebounds. I don't think 1 and a half rebounds are going to make that much of a difference.

Lance sucked balls in his first 2 years. In his 3rd year he turned into a somewhat good role player. This year, he has been phenomenal. Hayward however had more of gradual but slow improvement, he may have time to break out. I am just hoping it is after we sign him to 10-11 deal.
 
fishonjazz said:
Assholes gonna be assholes dala

Brush your shoulders off
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lmao I truly dgaf. The dudes who are calling me retards are the ones who admit to only reading the first lines of my post, and attack my "fact-checking" in basketball arguments *insert UGLI's MarvWilliams debacle here* *ask Zulu for confirm*


Simply calling me stupid does nothing but make me think that my point is even more correct-- as they cannot come up with solid reasoning to negate the points that I have made.
 
Hantlers said:
Dala, I'm too lazy to quote you, but my overall point was that your reasoning is stupid, you suck balls, and Paul George is a star. Legit freak athlete with great basketball skills.
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Ahh. Attacking my points via resulting to personal insults without even beginning to address the remarks that I made. You're off to a good start.


The simple idea of taking Hibbert over him is mind-boggling. I know you like stats..Hibbert averages roughly 12 and 8 in 30 minutes per game while shooting 46%. That dude is 7 foot freaking 2 and he can only shoot 46%? GTFO.
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You mean the idea of taking a player who is capable of shouldering HEAVY production, in the playoffs, while playing against the best team in the league in a 7 game series, WHILE being an absolutely consensus best defensive player in the league? Why yes, of course I would select him. Roy plays big in big games, and is a defensive stud throughout the regular season. More than I could ask for from my starting center that I'm building around.

Hibbert is massively overrated because last year the refs let him get away with a **** ton against the Heat and he only plays well against the Heat. He averaged 22 and 10 against the Heat while shooting 55%. In all other playoff games he averaged roughly 14 and 9 while shooting 47%...based on his regular season stats, which one seems like the anomaly?
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You know when an argument quickly becomes a flaming pile of **** (poop), when the refs are brought in. Absolutely ridiculous. Crediting Roy's play from the refereeing? Pull your head out of your ***.


Of course a giant is going to play well against the Heat when they have no true post player and the refs let him do whatever he wants (verticality, bitches)...however you can't just take what he does against one team as evidence that he is the best player on that team.
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So if I have an option of taking on a player who get's profoundly beneficial treatment from refereeing (lol) and he is probably the single most effective weapon against easily the best team in the league, you're telling me that I SHOULDN'T value him.....because....???

Paul George > Roy Hibbert.
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Glad you offered so much credible support to this claim. No, really.

Paul George = superstar...although not because he's better than Hibbert, it's just because he's a superstar. Simple as that. And your whole Hibbert > George thing is freaking retarded.
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In other words Paul George = superstar because this is what I think a superstar is and therefore Paul George should belong. That is some profoundly tautological thinking right there.
 
I said you suck balls because I consider you a friend and I thought it was funny. Had nothing to do with my argument, I just like to give you ****.

If Roy plays big in big games, then why are the rest of his playoff stats equivalent to his regular season stats except when he doesn't play the Heat? Are those not big games? Hibbert is good, but he's going to perform better than he is against a team like the Heat because they don't have a post player.

As for the ref discussion...it wasn't exactly part of my argument, I was more just pointing it out. When you allow one player to foul consistently, it makes a difference. Hibbert was reffed differently in every single series except that one, and it made a difference as he usually would have fouled out.

Anyways, my point was that you're taking your value on Hibbert based on how he plays against the Heat, which has proven to be an aberration based on his performance verse other teams. As for taking the heavy weight of his team during the playoffs...he averaged around 14 ppg in every series that wasn't played against the Heat. I'm not sure what you think a heavy load is, but 14 ppg isn't one of them.

I brought up numbers, while you attacked the minor deficiencies of my points. You won't attack the numbers because you know you can't touch them. You won't touch the fact that Hibbert's play verse the Heat is an aberration from his normal play.

And you still suck balls.
 
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