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BYU @ Utah........

Who is going to win on Saturday?

  • BYU

    Votes: 11 32.4%

  • Utah

    Votes: 23 67.6%
  • Total voters
    34
I've been thinking of posting this but haven't cause well mostly I'm lazy but as well as Wynn has played like poop this past month and not as most had hoped or expected overall this season. My attitude though is it's ok for us U fans to bag on him but the other fans is getting a bit too much so here is a reminder what a certain Senior QB but up last year in a squeaker and Wynn's last year:

Hall,Max 12-32-0 134yrd 2TD 4Sacks VS. Wynn, Jordan 21-41-1 198yrd 0TD 2Sacks

Here is Wynn's stats this year:

Wynn, Jordan 13-30-1 199yrd 1TD 1Sacks

I'm not here to talk trash or much even stick up for Wynn just relaying some facts, Wynn's numbers aren't that good in either rivalry game but they're both better then Hall's and the only common theme is the QB with the better stats lost the game in both the last 2 years as obviously Heaps had better stats then Wynn (or Hall for that matter).
 
//r00t 4 Jazz said:
I've been thinking of posting this but haven't cause well mostly I'm lazy but as well as Wynn has played like poop this past month and not as most had hoped or expected overall this season. My attitude though is it's ok for us U fans to bag on him but the other fans is getting a bit too much so here is a reminder what a certain Senior QB but up last year in a squeaker and Wynn's last year:

Hall,Max 12-32-0 134yrd 2TD 4Sacks VS. Wynn, Jordan 21-41-1 198yrd 0TD 2Sacks

Here is Wynn's stats this year:

Wynn, Jordan 13-30-1 199yrd 1TD 1Sacks

I'm not here to talk trash or much even stick up for Wynn just relaying some facts, Wynn's numbers aren't that good in either rivalry game but they're both better then Hall's and the only common theme is the QB with the better stats lost the game in both the last 2 years as obviously Heaps had better stats then Wynn (or Hall for that matter).
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Hall couldn't have one bad game that year (excluding TCU of course. TCU killed everyone)?

Compare that with Wynn's one good game against Cal?

Sounds like a stretch for a Wynn apologist.

If you want to compare big games that year, look @ what Hall did against OU. 329 passing yards against a highly touted Sooner defense. And I'm not even that big of a Max Hall fan. I do think he turned the ball over and held onto the ball waaaaayyyyy too long. That's what really hurt him in Arizona.

I quit trying to talk some sense into some of you. Jeez. Some of you are so blinded by your homerism that you still:

A. Feel like Utah should be playing against Oregon in the championship.
B. Utah killed BYU even though they barely squeaked by Bronco's WORST team at home against a freshmen qb injured.
C. STTTTTTTILLLLLLLLL believe in Wynn when everyone else sees that the kid just isn't a leader, a gamer, a tough guy, or the QB of the future.

I guess it's normal when you're a complete homer. There are still people who feel that CJ Miles is going to be Ray Allen, just give him more time.... I've said it before and I'll say it again, Utes aren't going to be more than an average Pac-10 team until they find a replacement for Wynn. True, they might beat Colorado, Wash St, and maybe Cal. But the rest of the Pac-10 is going to eat them alive with Wynn throwing 2-3 picks per game.

Unfortunately, you won't have an official to give you the ball despite seeing overwhelming replay evidence to show that the player's knee was down.
 
//r00t 4 Jazz said:
I've been thinking of posting this but haven't cause well mostly I'm lazy but as well as Wynn has played like poop this past month and not as most had hoped or expected overall this season. My attitude though is it's ok for us U fans to bag on him but the other fans is getting a bit too much so here is a reminder what a certain Senior QB but up last year in a squeaker and Wynn's last year:

Hall,Max 12-32-0 134yrd 2TD 4Sacks VS. Wynn, Jordan 21-41-1 198yrd 0TD 2Sacks

Here is Wynn's stats this year:

Wynn, Jordan 13-30-1 199yrd 1TD 1Sacks

I'm not here to talk trash or much even stick up for Wynn just relaying some facts, Wynn's numbers aren't that good in either rivalry game but they're both better then Hall's and the only common theme is the QB with the better stats lost the game in both the last 2 years as obviously Heaps had better stats then Wynn (or Hall for that matter).
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I'm not a big fan of judging a player just on one game. There's no question Ute staff is nervous about Wynn and the BYU game is just a small piece of that. If you are a Ute fan you shouldn't be happy with Wynn either. Not to say he couldn't improve and win people over but he definitely is not there now. You can only use the word potential for so long. The kid just has zero grit.
 
That's the best thing about the game for me is that here is Heaps as a freshman in a huge game. He's injured early on and things are coming at him fast. But he tells Doman there's no way he's coming out of the game. He's a gamer. The big arm and all that is nice but if you don't have grit as a QB go play WR or something.
 
The Thriller said:
Unfortunately, you won't have an official to give you the ball despite seeing overwhelming replay evidence to show that the player's knee was down.
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Where is this overwhelming evidence? I know you tend to pull stuff out of your ***, so I guess this is more of the same for you. If you have overwhelming evidence that it wasn't a fumble, lets see it.

Here is a reality check for you, taken from the Deseret News here:
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700086503/BYU-football-Controversial-call-is-costly-to-BYU.html

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There is still daylight under his butt. His knee might be down, might not be. The ball is clearly out though, and appears to have been out for at least several frames before this pic. It's not in the process of being ripped out, it's not on its way out, it's not about to be ripped out- it's gone.

I can look at that pic and think, "The ball likely started coming out before that knee touched the ground. His butt is still in the air and the knee is only about halfway down, but the ball is already all the way out."

Now, again, if you have overwhelming evidence showing the knee down BEFORE THE BALL STARTED COMING OUT, then lets see it. We know you were just pulling stuff out of your *** though.
 
Thanks Salty.

One snapshot for a play of seconds really tells me everything necessary.

Instead of having video replay, lets just snap a picture as Salty just did.

Oh, and Wynn is amazing. Man, he's the next Joe Montana.
 
The Thriller said:
Thanks Salty.

One snapshot for a play of seconds really tells me everything necessary.

Instead of having video replay, lets just snap a picture as Salty just did.

Oh, and Wynn is amazing. Man, he's the next Joe Montana.
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You're the one that said there was overwhelming evidence that he was down. Lets see it. Oh right, you made it up.

That snapshot actually shows more than the video replays we saw on tv. I never saw the ball and his knee in the same shot on tv.

And Jordan Wynn may not be that great, but keep it in perspective. He has started roughly the same amount of games as Jake Heaps in his college career so far. This game was by far his worst game. He was so bad he got benched in this game. And at the the end of the day, his stats were not much worse than what Jake Heaps ended up with. And now we're getting word that Wynn was not only injured, but has been injured for a while.

And stop with the BS that Wynn has never played well (or only in 1 game). He played well all year up until the 4th quarter against Air Force.
 
By the way, The Thriller is right- Boise State is likely going to the Vegas Bowl. And if it's not Boise State, it is guaranteed to be Nevada.

The reason is the Vegas Bowl is bigger and pays more than any of the bowls the WAC is contracted with. Not only that, but ESPN owns the Vegas Bowl, owns the New Mexico Bowl, and has a lot of influence on the Fight Hunger Bowl. So they can (and did) release the WAC from the New Mexico Bowl agreement for this year, and invite a WAC team to the Vegas Bowl.

The only holdup is if there is still a minute possibility of Boise State going to a BCS game. We know it won't happen, but it's still technically possible. So we have to wait for it to be impossible before we get Boise to commit to the Vegas Bowl.

Supposedly there will be an announcement later tonight of either Nevada or Boise accepting an invitation to play Utah in the Vegas Bowl.

I'm surprised nobody in this thread knew about this. We've (my friends and me) been talking about this for several days. It's been all over utefans.net too for several days. If it just hit the radio yesterday, then they were late with it. There was an article on ESPN about it and an article in the Vegas paper several days ago (the day after Utah accepted a bid to the Vegas Bowl).
 
Man, did Thriller just passive-agressively play the whole "refs cost us the game" card? Look at it this way Thriller: Consider it make-up for the missed horse collar call that would have put Utah in close FG range, or the replay they got wrong that gave BYU a 1st down instead of a 3rd and long. Did the refs forget to block Burton too? Did they let Devonte Christopher go up over the top of them and pull down a TD? Weak sauce man.

And Salty, if it is Boise, then so be it. Obviously Utah would have a huge mountain to climb, but I hope BYU fans like Thriller don't mind if Utah actually shows up to the game and gives it their best shot instead of pissing their pants with fear.
 
See I knew I shouldn't have posted, I stated I'm not happy with how Wynn played this season and I even knocked him for several things in this thread and stated Heaps played better. I am a U fan and other fans bagging on him was wearing thin in regards to people comparing stats from this years game so that's all I was trying to do is to add perspective and show that last year a Freshman Wynn looked to have something to build on but it obviously hasn't worked out that way this season.
Last year us U fans (offensively not defensively) felt similar to how Thriller is coming across in his posts saying (trying to remove his trash talking undertones to keep it civil).

*edit crap busy at work and left this open for over an hour, guess I should've just stuck with short snarky trash talk for Thriller*
 
jazzman12 said:
Man, did Thriller just passive-agressively play the whole "refs cost us the game" card? Look at it this way Thriller: Consider it make-up for the missed horse collar call that would have put Utah in close FG range, or the replay they got wrong that gave BYU a 1st down instead of a 3rd and long. Did the refs forget to block Burton too? Did they let Devonte Christopher go up over the top of them and pull down a TD? Weak sauce man.
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The refs did screw up a call that gave the Utes the ball. Is a turnover an even trade for a missed horse collar call, no.
Did BYU score on the posession when the first down call was made... I dont think so, so it really had no effect on the game.
Burton made a great play, Christopher made a great play too.
Could BYU have done more to win the game, like kick a field goal instead of going for it on 4th, yes.
The screwed up fumble call had a huge impact on the game because the result of the change of possession was a TD.
It is lame to say quit blaming the refs, and just win the game.... as a coach and player that is all and well to block it out mentally so they can continue to play at a high level. As a fan when I am not on the field, it did affect the game.
Burton's block stopped 3 points. The refs bad call resulted in 7 points for the U.

Bottom line, good game by BYU, average game by the U, bad calls more in favor of U = U win.
That is the reality of it.
That takes nothing away from the good plays either side made.... that Christopher catch was amazing, and the Burton blocked kick was very timely and a great play when it was needed.

The game is over, both sides should quit whining.
Any by both sides I mean the Utes, you won on a gift... accept it and run with it, but don't be blind.
 
JazzSpazz said:
The refs did screw up a call that gave the Utes the ball. Is a turnover an even trade for a missed horse collar call, no.
Did BYU score on the posession when the first down call was made... I dont think so, so it really had no effect on the game.
Burton made a great play, Christopher made a great play too.
Could BYU have done more to win the game, like kick a field goal instead of going for it on 4th, yes.
The screwed up fumble call had a huge impact on the game because the result of the change of possession was a TD.
It is lame to say quit blaming the refs, and just win the game.... as a coach and player that is all and well to block it out mentally so they can continue to play at a high level. As a fan when I am not on the field, it did affect the game.
Burton's block stopped 3 points. The refs bad call resulted in 7 points for the U.

Bottom line, good game by BYU, average game by the U, bad calls more in favor of U = U win.
That is the reality of it.
That takes nothing away from the good plays either side made.... that Christopher catch was amazing, and the Burton blocked kick was very timely and a great play when it was needed.

The game is over, both sides should quit whining.
Any by both sides I mean the Utes, you won on a gift... accept it and run with it, but don't be blind.
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Total fabrication. See the picture I posted if you are interested in the truth. Or keep spouting fabrications, whatever.
 
JazzSpazz said:
The refs did screw up a call that gave the Utes the ball. Is a turnover an even trade for a missed horse collar call, no.
Did BYU score on the posession when the first down call was made... I dont think so, so it really had no effect on the game.
Burton made a great play, Christopher made a great play too.
Could BYU have done more to win the game, like kick a field goal instead of going for it on 4th, yes.
The screwed up fumble call had a huge impact on the game because the result of the change of possession was a TD.
It is lame to say quit blaming the refs, and just win the game.... as a coach and player that is all and well to block it out mentally so they can continue to play at a high level. As a fan when I am not on the field, it did affect the game.
Burton's block stopped 3 points. The refs bad call resulted in 7 points for the U.

Bottom line, good game by BYU, average game by the U, bad calls more in favor of U = U win.
That is the reality of it.
That takes nothing away from the good plays either side made.... that Christopher catch was amazing, and the Burton blocked kick was very timely and a great play when it was needed.

The game is over, both sides should quit whining.
Any by both sides I mean the Utes, you won on a gift... accept it and run with it, but don't be blind.
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Jazzspazz I find it hilarious how you try to marginze the missed horsecollar call. Tack on 15 yards on to that play and Utah is in FG range, maybe more. Even if they settle for 3 at that point it makes Utah's 4th qtr lead 4 instead of 1. And on the fumble call that hurt Byu you act like the call itself gave Utah 7 points. It was Byu that let them into the endzone.

I agree that it was bad calls both ways and that Utah played like hell but I don't look at it as a gift. In the last 15 minutes Utah made huge plays when they had to, Byu did not.
 
YB85 said:
Kudos. Wynn is having shoulder surgery and is out.
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LOL! I was driving a girl for drivers ed and she was blabbing aways like girls do. Her sister's former BF has a class with Wynn and he was saying how Wynn was going off about his shoulder and how there was no way he was going to play. I knew the kid and confirmed via text.

But other times I'm sitting there getting the info right from the source. Just passing on what I hear. Take them for what they are worth.

And again, LMAO at those that think this is some junior high power play for popularity on this board. Get a life, Lamer(s).
 
SaltyDawg said:
Total fabrication. See the picture I posted if you are interested in the truth. Or keep spouting fabrications, whatever.
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Byu did not lose the game because of this call. They lost the game for a series of stupid plays and stupid decisions. But if you think that was a fumble after watching replay you are a blind homer and anything out of your mouth should be disregarded. Your pictures is awful that is 2 seconds after he was down. watch 1:18.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcAQzd_1yP0
 
Broncster said:
Byu did not lose the game because of this call. They lost the game for a series of stupid plays and stupid decisions. But if you think that was a fumble after watching replay you are a blind homer and anything out of your mouth should be disregarded. Your pictures is awful that is 2 seconds after he was down. watch 1:18.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcAQzd_1yP0
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I don't see where the knee is when the ball comes out in your link. If you claim is in there, then post that shot.

I posted a clear shot showing the ball was out (not coming out, not being stripped, but already gone) while his butt was still in the air and the knee wasn't even all the way down yet.

Your link was not conclusive. It showed his knee, but didn't show where the ball started coming out.

Nice try though, homer.

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