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Can Rubio Improve His Shooting?

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jjscap

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Lindsey said the Jazz will help Rubio improve his shooting. He must feel Rubio is either underdeveloped or misused throughout his career... or still young.

Also Minny's play-by-play announcer said Rubio almost never worked out in the off-season, was mostly with the national team which he loves playing for much. He thinks Rubio has some room to improve.

How can a guard can shoot 90% from FT and 32% from three anyway?

I know this kid since he was 15 as I live in Europe. He was great at 15, could even do things even no one else can. But he could not shoot. With his tools it was just a matter of time for him to become a dangerous scorer people thought but it's never happened.

Also Rubio played his best basketball following the ASB but MIN did not think twice to trade him away for a bag of chips.

So what do you think, he can or not? It's too late?
 
jjscap said:
Lindsey said the Jazz will help Rubio improve his shooting. He must feel Rubio is either underdeveloped or misused throughout his career... or still young.

Also Minny's play-by-play announcer said Rubio almost never worked out in the off-season, was mostly with the national team which he loves playing for much. He thinks Rubio has some room to improve.

How can a guard can shoot 90% from FT and 32% from three anyway?

I know this kid since he was 15 as I live in Europe. He was great at 15, could even do things even no one else can. But he could not shoot. With his tools it was just a matter of time for him to become a dangerous scorer people thought but it's never happened.

Also Rubio played his best basketball following the ASB but MIN did not think twice to trade him away for a bag of chips.

So what do you think, he can or not? It's too late?
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3 point shooting was much improved after the all star break so lets hope that continues. So when he is with the national team he just sits around and drinks Sangrias? JK Most likely he will be playing for Spain in the Eurobasket coming up. Spain should be the favorite there.
 
NCJazz said:
3 point shooting was much improved after the all star break so lets hope that continues. So when he is with the national team he just sits around and drinks Sangrias? JK Most likely he will be playing for Spain in the Eurobasket coming up. Spain should be the favorite there.
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No, but when you are practicing with a team you are working on sets and team oriented stuff, not retooling your 3pt shot (which by most experts accounts requires months without playing in actual games)

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Also Minny's play-by-play announcer said Rubio almost never worked out in the off-season, was mostly with the national team which he loves playing for much.
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So what is Rubio doing this summer? Will he be working out or doing his usual? Hopefully he'll get on a Jazz tailored program.
 
Can Rubio Improve His Shooting?

OF COURSE!!!

His shot isn't broken fools. Neto and Ingles both improved their shots significantly in our system. Not to mention Hayward improved his shot a ton as well under Quin... In fact, Rubio's shot was improving last year as he demonstrated when he tore a whole in our souls last year.

When Rubio has a reliable shot... F'GET ABOUT IT!
 
The Wolves player development system, and quite frankly the entire organization, is complete crap. I bet you see Rubio make a huge developmental leap just by changing from whatever the hell system the Wolves have organizationally to the Jazz. Nobody gets less from more than the Wolves with the possible exception of the Pelicans.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
No, but when you are practicing with a team you are working on sets and team oriented stuff, not retooling your 3pt shot (which by most experts accounts requires months without playing in actual games)

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I am sure he could also put extra work in just shooting if he wants to, but I will never blame a guy who wants to play for their country. However, with the new FIBA windows NBA and Euroleague players for that matter will probably be playing less for their countries in the future.
 
The company line right now is Rubio has never had an "off-season" to work on his shooting. He's competing practically all year round.

I guess there is some validity to this - at least to get him from horrible to passable.

True jump shooters are born through - not made. I think you can only get so good at it if you don't have the touch.
 
candrew said:
The company line right now is Rubio has never had an "off-season" to work on his shooting. He's competing practically all year round.

I guess there is some validity to this - at least to get him from horrible to passable.

True jump shooters are born through - not made. I think you can only get so good at it if you don't have the touch.
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Hmm, I would say the opposite. Every great jump shooter made themselves by working their *** off to be a great shooter. Maybe they were born with something that made them better but they still separated themselves from the okay shooters by making themselves through hard work.
 
candrew said:
The company line right now is Rubio has never had an "off-season" to work on his shooting. He's competing practically all year round.

I guess there is some validity to this - at least to get him from horrible to passable.

True jump shooters are born through - not made. I think you can only get so good at it if you don't have the touch.
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His ft % and midrange % suggest he has the touch tho

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The main weakness in Rubio's game is actually not his outside shooting, but his finishing around the rim. That's were he posts terrible numbers for different reasons:

- He's actually able to dunk the ball -as he should with his height and wingspan-, but he uses no lift whatsoever on his layups (he barely uses any on his Js either, but he's gotten better with the years, especially on mid-range pull-ups).

- He tends to rush his shots around the rim, probably because he's afraid to get blocked otherwise. He would be much more effective if he took a split second more to aim and execute instead of just throwing the ball up. He's such a great passer that it sometimes looks like he sees the game in slow motion, just not when it comes to finishing inside.

- He often tries to generate contact with the defender and look for the foul, and while he's got a solid FTr that has helped him become more efficient every year, he's still not very respected by officials around the league. Part of that could be related to his widespread reputation as a bad scorer, so refs probably aren't too worried to even miss the calls. Hopefully as he gets better and more aggressive looking for his shots, refs will also grant him more trips to the line when he's bumped on his drives.

Regarding his off-season work, it's false that he's never worked between off-seasons. It's true that he usually spends a good chunk of his summer with the NT (and he missed the best part of two summers rehabbing from his ACL injury and the high ankle sprain that also damaged some muscles in his foot), but the guy is as hard a worker as they come, and it's known that the last couple of years he's had someone working over with him in Barcelona.

And that takes us to his shooting coaches. He had an specialist like Mike Penberthy with him for a year, and they were seeing some serious improvements. It wasn't that much about his shooting mechanics but more about the way he faces shooting in game from a mental standpoint (he's quite a good shooter in practice, and you can see how that translates to his close to 90% on FTs) and how losing his stamina over the course of the game affects his shots. However, after just one season, Penberthy left Minnesota and the Timberwolves didn't bring a new shooting coach. Rubio and a couple of other Timberwolves players hired him privately the following year, but Penberthy had moved back with his family so it wasn't everyday training like the year before.

Lastly, even though he's still a below average shooter, the thing with Ricky is he's improved his scoring efficiency every single year in the league except for the season he missed with the high-ankle sprain (he only played 22 games and he was still injured for most of those, before Flip Saunders shut him down for good). He's become better at getting to the line and he's got better shot selection now even if he's not someone that's usually looking to score. He's been closer to the league average the last couple of seasons and while he'll never be a volume scorer, there's no doubt he can become a more efficient one.
 
Rubio is playing for his national team this summer, IINM.
As mentioned, key players for the Jazz, including Ingles, Neto, Hay****, etc. have all improved under Quin's player development staff. It can be argued some didn't (like Lyles). I think the key is: if you want it, Jazz provide the means. If you don't want to put in the work, nothing is going to help.

I see the ability for some marginal improvement for Rubio. As a distributor, Utah doesn't need a ton of scoring from him. He's a Stockton-type player, not a DWill. I'm just excited to watch him run the P&R with Rudy and Favs. Everyone forgets how good Favs was when he was healthy and Rudy's role was just to get out of the way on offense.
 
Yes, he definitely can. I don't see any major problems with his shot form. He's a good FT and midrange shooter because he has a solid shot form. The reason he struggles from three is because he doesn't get a lot of lift when he jumps for his outside shot and he doesn't get a good arc on it. He has a very flat outside jumper. That is something the Jazz development staff can help him fix.
 
Anything is possible
 
Ron Mexico said:
Every great jump shooter made themselves by working their *** off to be a great shooter. Maybe they were born with something that made them better but they still separated themselves from the okay shooters by making themselves through hard work.
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If I was Rubio I'd systematically shoot tons number of threes each day. It helped numerous players. I remember Jameer Nelson locking himself up in the off-season during his Orlando Magic times and shooting 1000 threes a day. He was able to to shoot 41% and then 45% in consecutive years. He's only 6"0'.
 
Can he? Sure... Is it likely? Not really. I'd take 6 year sample over 6 weeks any time.
 
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