Can the Dante Exum Experiment Please End

[LoPo]

Shaun Livingston has an impeccable midrange and post up game, two things I've never seen Dante do, so the comparison is puzzling.

He has shown more potential to be Curry (shooting 3's) than Livingston (posting-up and midrange).

Livingston is an oversized PG who is a spark plug off the bench. It took him time to develop, and since he has, he has become a very valuable bench player. Exum, like Livingston, will have to create his particular skills at this level. However, his size and mismatch opportunities are very promising.

Maybe Exum doesn't create the same strengths as Livingston, but he could create the same role within the team. Instead of post up, it might be drive and dish. Regardless, they both are long, defensive mismatch PG's. Without Livingston, GS has a hard time beating Cleveland 2 years ago. When Curry struggled against Delly, Livingston came in and provided a much needed spark and used his length to frustrate a player having decent success offensively. Exum can be this change of pace for us. At least that....

 

[fishonjazz]

Good post - thanks for contributing and welcome!

Thanks for thanking them!

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Shaun Livingston has an impeccable midrange and post up game, two things I've never seen Dante do, so the comparison is puzzling.

He has shown more potential to be Curry (shooting 3's) than Livingston (posting-up and midrange).

Exum are both light skinned and tall pgs... clearly their games are the exact same.


Seriously though he doesn't compare to many players at all. He has a weird game... he has some Ricky Rubio defensive potential, some tony Parker speed, length like Livingston/hardaway, but he also has flaws those guys didn't have.

You could tell em he became an all star or he was a career backup and I would believe you. My guess is the answer is somehwere in between but I can't peg one player with enough similarities to be a good comp. he's Dante Exum.

 

[Douchebag K]

Perhaps it's his long arms but I'm not used to seeing point guards even at 6'6" do standing dunks. This article https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-draft/2014/7/3/5869689/nba-draft-2014-dante-exum-utah-jazz-gifted suggests he has a better than average standing vertical (#4 among 22 recent and current PGs). Also this was based on combine results when he was eighteen years of age, not exactly his physical peak compared to others at or close to theirs.

just watching him in games tho his vertical hops don't seem remarkable at all. He had a step past Mudiay and i thought had an easy lay in or dunk but the time he took going up and lack of explosion vertically was what allowed Mudiay time to block him from behind. To me he's more fast on the ground that explosive vertically.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

just watching him in games tho his vertical hops don't seem remarkable at all. He had a step past Mudiay and i thought had an easy lay in or dunk but the time he took going up and lack of explosion vertically was what allowed Mudiay time to block him from behind. To me he's more fast on the ground that explosive vertically.

Well I think you're probably right about that. He has elite quickness and the eye test says the ACL surgery didn't diminish it discernibly. But he can get off the floor as well although he's not a flashy type which I respect actually. This is the one I was thinking about earlier this year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7wrknFqLWQ

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

Thanks for thanking them!

Thanks for that thanking of the thank.

 

[NAOS]

If I could choose one wing defender on the team in a crunch time situation I would choose Dante without question.

This is quite ludicrous

His defense has been good for most of the season, even though it isn't showing in the advanced stats. Advanced defensive stats are not incredibly reliable or valuable when used to determine how a single player is defending overall.

Are there any measurements of his performance that you accept as valid? Are you really claiming that all advanced stats are equally useless? If so, I'd assume you'd say the same thing about 'simple/basic stats'? I guess I'm just trying understand if what you're going on is your eyeballs alone.

thanks.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

He'll definitely be recovering for this entire season. During the second half of the year He should start to get much closer and next season he'll almost certainly be back to full health barring injury.

I was at the game last night, and Dante was probably the best player on the floor in the first half. Sure it was only the Nuggets, but he was putting a lot of pressure on the D and his defense was excellent. If I could choose one wing defender on the team in a crunch time situation I would choose Dante without question. If you can't see the potential not only to be a very good NBA player in the future, but also in his ability to be a valuable backup PG during this season then I think you need to reevaluate your own knowledge of the game.

The crazy thing that I see here is that people are still harping on his handle (it has improved immensely since his rookie season) and his aggression (again it has improved a ton. Look at his FT's to see a good example of how much more aggressive he has been). His defense has been good for most of the season, even though it isn't showing in the advanced stats. Advanced defensive stats are not incredibly reliable or valuable when used to determine how a single player is defending overall.

I've only been a lurker for a while here, so not sure if this was a troll thread or not. But legit basketball minds are laughing at people who think Dante is some kind of bust. He's gonna be a very good player.

So crunch time is up, we playing the Cavs and you are choosing Dante on Lebron without question? I just dont know how legit I can consider your basketball mind if you arent even legit enough to realize Hayward is hands down our best perimeter defender.

 

[Jazz4ever]

just watching him in games tho his vertical hops don't seem remarkable at all. He had a step past Mudiay and i thought had an easy lay in or dunk but the time he took going up and lack of explosion vertically was what allowed Mudiay time to block him from behind. To me he's more fast on the ground that explosive vertically.

That was very disappointing when Mudiay blocked that. Dante had him beat badly. Dante is just an average leaper so needs to learn how to elongate his body sideways on drives, get the foul from body contact at least.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The biggest thing I've started to question about Dante and his "potential" is if he is a tall/long PG, or a tall/long guy who can play some PG. Does he have the necessary leadership intangibles that are required of the position. That is all very hard to tell with a player as young as Dante, but I don't see clear signs beneath the surface.

 

[Douchebag K]

That was very disappointing when Mudiay blocked that. Dante had him beat badly. Dante is just an average leaper so needs to learn how to elongate his body sideways on drives, get the foul from body contact at least.

correct. Hopefully he'll learn. He could draw a zillion fouls with his first step

 

[NAOS]

So crunch time is up, we playing the Cavs and you are choosing Dante on Lebron without question? I just dont know how legit I can consider your basketball mind if you arent even legit enough to realize Hayward is hands down our best perimeter defender.

Hayward is not "hands down" our best perimeter defender. He's our best defender for wings. You want G Hill over Hayward in a variety of matchups. This is obvious.

 

[supfellas]

some of you people are ridiculous. he's barely 21. if i've learned anything while being in college is that lots of young guys like him don't physically blossom for another couple years. plus, he's coming off a major injury. let's all calm down and just see how he develops. geez, some of you are worse than teenage girls with all this whining.


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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Hayward is not "hands down" our best perimeter defender. He's our best defender for wings. You want G Hill over Hayward in a variety of matchups. This is obvious.

He said choose 1, I'd choose Hayward over Hill. Obviously they both have different strengths, but I think Hayward has more versatility guarding a variety of players.

 

[NAOS]

He said choose 1, I'd choose Hayward over Hill. Obviously they both have different strengths, but I think Hayward has more versatility guarding a variety of players.

you took the bait on a bad question? Ok.

I'll say it again: Hayward is not "hands down" our best perimeter defender.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

you took the bait on a bad question? Ok.

I'll say it again: Hayward is not "hands down" our best perimeter defender.

Ok, you are wrong though. He is.

 

[fishonjazz]

The biggest thing I've started to question about Dante and his "potential" is if he is a tall/long PG, or a tall/long guy who can play some PG. Does he have the necessary leadership intangibles that are required of the position. That is all very hard to tell with a player as young as Dante, but I don't see clear signs beneath the surface.

Great post. Even I get a little bit excited when I think of him as a pg but if he is a wing then I'm not excited much at all.

 

[fishonjazz]

he needs to learn how to elongate his body sideways on drives

I have seen him do this a handful of times this year with good results so that's encouraging.

 

[NAOS]

Ok, you are wrong though. He is.

Let me get this straight, when it comes to defending smaller, faster guards you want Hayward over Hill?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Let me get this straight, when it comes to defending smaller, faster guards you want Hayward over Hill?

More than I would want Hill guarding a KD, Lebron, Kahwi, Carmello, or Giannis.