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Can Ty Corbin get us a ring?

NotDeadYet

NotDeadYet

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From the few games I saw last season, I'd say YES HE CAN.
First off, he appears to have the players attention, and secondly, he's willing to make changes that seemed to work for the most part. But, it all starts at the TOP, and I'm hopeful Greg Miller, Kevin O'Connor, and Ty Corbin buy into the philosophy used in Dallas as described in this article. Some great points here regarding Offense vs Defense philosophies.
Management does seem to be behind Ty, and until proven otherwise, I think we fans should be behind him too. Being WILLING TO CHANGE AND KNOWING WHAT TO CHANGE WHEN, for each upcoming game AND even as a game is going on, are HUGE. It starts with the staff, but the PLAYERS have to buy into it, and NOT whine about their minutes. WINNING games is the goal, not getting players MINUTES. I can't emphasize this enough!!
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Never say never.

But I don't like the way Corbin was hired.

Never have. Never will.

How many times in this league do you see the 2nd assistance coach (not 1st) being hired as a head coach (not interim)?

What is Utah's policy? Always hire the in-house assistance coach at all cost? Don't bother considering other options?

What about Scott Layden? If Corbin doesn't work out - why not try him?

Granted - Corbin has been with Utah for a long time, but does that mean anything? Why not consider someone who's had NBA head coaching experience, even went to the Finals (i.e., Mike Brown)?

I just don't dislike Corbin personally or even as a coach.

I just don't like the process in which Utah went about in appointing him the head coach.
 
Can't argue with the "process" thing, but SO FAR I'm encouraged by Ty. He made some real good adjustments last season, which Jerry never did unless there was an injury involved. Sometimes the best thing upper management can do is just support the new coach by getting him what he wants and otherwise stay out of his way. Remember, our management hasn't changed coaches in over 20 years! Fingers crossed...
 
How far into the playoffs has Ty Corbin ever gone? As a player? As a Coach?

Can he convince Jason Terry to come off the bench? (insert Paul Milsap for Jason Terry)
 
The "process" had more to do with timing and keeping with the conservative nature of the organization. Just look at how most of management has been with the Jazz. Due to the sudden retirement of Sloan and Johnson, the organization was put in a tough position during the season. Corbin knows how things are run and he has paid his dues.

I think Ty has done a really good job under the circumstances. I like his substitution pattern for the most part and he gave more minutes to Haywood. I hope everyone in the organization including the fans give him time to put his stamp on the time.

Ty is already under the gun due to the fact he is replacing a legend in Sloan but he is also inherited a very young team. Hopefully, he will be able to manage all players and get them to play the right way (as a team). I am also looking for improved defense and for in game adjustments which I thought Sloan seemed to ignore. It is very difficult to win a championship so I just hope fans don't expect to much too fast.

I really don't see why Scott Layden would even be consider for a head coach over Corbin since Ty has been there longer.
 
cowhide said:
The "process" had more to do with timing and keeping with the conservative nature of the organization. Just look at how most of management has been with the Jazz. Due to the sudden retirement of Sloan and Johnson, the organization was put in a tough position during the season. Corbin knows how things are run and he has paid his dues.
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This is just an excuse. Typically what teams do in these cases is appoint interim coach, and then, after going through extensive selection process, decide on head coach. With that said, I am not against Corbin. I am just against this "stability" mentality, where the organization doesn't show any balls or will to take a chance and win. And I am not saying to be reckless, but to have same coach for 20 years, who never won anything, is a huge stretch. Look at Cuban. In 11 years he had 3 coaches. So, it’s not like he has a revolving door, but there is a process in place, where coach gets a good opportunity, but if he doesn’t win after certain number of years, he is replaced. And that’s part of the reason why Dallas is the champion today. Of course it doesn’t hurt to have a HOFer player on your team, but Sloan had 2 of these for nearly 2 decades.
 
Who knows if Ty can win??? No one. Seriously, there is just no coaching record to go on. Can he coach, can he motivate and control, can he strategize, can he get them to defend?

The Jazz have an experiment on their hands at this point, not a proven coach. If I was ever in the position, there is no way on God's green earth I would ever hire anyone for HC who had not been a HC at some level, even high school. I suspect that 2-3 years from now Ty is likely going to be still learning what it takes to be a good HC. But for the Jazz management, it was easy and comfortable which is what they like.
 
But, at some point SOME NBA TEAM would become the FIRST team to hire Ty as their HC. Since he has been an assistant in Utah, as well as a player, for many years, they know him very well and may legitimately have seen him as ready for a HC position when they promoted him. Since we obviously were going nowhere playoff-wise even when DWill and Sloan were still here, last year was a great time to stick Ty's feet in the fire and see how he AND the players reacted. I thought he started very rocky, but showed a willingness to make the changes needed to get better while on the fly. He identified "MATCHUPS" as a major key to winning, and made some good adjustments to create more favorable matchups, AND the players seemed to buy into him.
 
Borat said:
Typically what teams do in these cases is appoint interim coach, and then, after going through extensive selection process, decide on head coach. With that said, I am not against Corbin. I am just against this "stability" mentality, where the organization doesn't show any balls or will to take a chance and win.
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Deron Williams trade.

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I was happy to see a new coach, and ok with Corbin getting a chance.

After a small sample I'm a little discouraged. Some of his rotations were questionable, and I didn't see any real difference from Sloan.
I hope he can really tweek things enough to put his stamp on this team.

He can't be a Sloan clone if he wants to succeed. He needs to take the good things he learned from Jerry, and put his own imput into the squad.
 
Let's see who he brings in to fill out his staff. Going into the season with inexperienced assistants won't help him. He needs to find his Phil Johnson/Tex Winter/Del Harris.
 
I don't think the Jazz errored one bit in the decision to hire Corbin or in the process. Before anybody questions the Jazz on this one, there's a couple of factors to be considered:

-Usually 1st assistants don't get passed over in favor of a 2nd assistant, but the Jazz situation was unique. In Phil Johnson, the Jazz had a first assistant who was nearly as old as their HC. Utah knew full well that the day Sloan decided to walk away, Johnson was going to be leaving with him. Phil wasn't going to take the HC job if it was offered.

-Utah was lucky to have Ty as a 2nd assistant. He's a #1 assistant on most benches in the NBA IMO. Not only that, Ty had spent the last couple of seasons interviewing for HC jobs and may have been a shoe-in to get one elsewhere in 2011.

I think a good time before Jerry stepped-down, Ty had already become the "coach in waiting" in the minds of the Miller family.
 
Ty has a couple of things going for him.
1. He's pretty well-liked by his players - I think mainly because he was still playing well into the late-90's so he can relate to today's players better.
2. He's energetic and comfortable being himself rather than trying to fit in - it's not a sign of success but it was nice to see your assistant coach giving a fist-pump every now and then. (On a sidenote - when Scott Layden gets fired up it's actually kind of funny).

The fact that - atleast for now - the players like him gives him a little rope while he gains HC experience - because he's going to make mistakes as he learns how to manage games - from timeout usage, to managing minutes, to making adjustments based on the defense, to diagraming plays in late-game situations, from knowing when to go for a quick 2 instead of a 3, to knowing what advice from your assistants.

A rookie HC is no different from a player, you may think he does or doesn't have the tools to succeed but until you see how he functions as "the guy" with the pressure to make all the decisions, we won't know for sure.

FWIW, I've always liked Hornacek as the future HC of the Jazz - but due to his lack of bench experience, Ty definitely deserves a fair chance to prove himself.
 
The-Joker said:
Corbin will be fired by the end of the year.

Book it.
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I'm not saying Corbin getting fired after 1 full season is impossible, but I would say it's extremely unlikely. The wheels would really have to come off for them to make a move like that.

Up until last season, Utah was a franchise that hung their hat on consistency and the fact that they never made moves in a panic. Now that Sloan's midseason retirement and the D-Will trade are in their rearview mirror, I think Utah is very eager to settle back down and return to business as usual.

I honestly don't know what Corbin would have to do (or not do) in order to get fired after just 1 full season. I'm sure the Miller's don't have a "playoffs or bust" type of attitude going into next season which means the bar is set pretty low for Ty heading into next year.

I just don't see The Miller's pulling the plug on a coach that soon.
 
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