Can We Please Just Waive NWG?

[infection]

It’s not hard to understand.

Now if eggs are $1 and rotisserie chickens are $100 then by all means incubate... incubate hard.

Some of the eggs aren't fertilized.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You can buy a rotisserie chicken at Costco for $3. Or you can spend $3.50 on an egg you can incubate.

We acting like a dude who has been let go from two bottom feeder teams is some rotisserie chicken and not an egg himself?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We acting like a dude who has been let go from two bottom feeder teams is some rotisserie chicken and not an egg himself?

Yup bottom feeder teams always make the right decisions with regard to personnel. We can trust the stuff they let go is trash.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yup bottom feeder teams always make the right decisions with regard to personnel. We can trust the stuff they let go is trash.

Any way you want to spin it, it's not a positive sign, especially when no one else is doing anything out of the way (guaranteeing him minutes or above min money) to get him.

 

[infection]

We acting like a dude who has been let go from two bottom feeder teams is some rotisserie chicken and not an egg himself?

No, we're acting like having NWG hit the ceiling of a Neto is a success.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Any way you want to spin it, it's not a positive sign, especially when no one else is doing anything out of the way (guaranteeing him minutes or above min money) to get him.

I agree it’s not a positive sign but it’s also not super damning either. There have been players like Spencer Dinwiddie that are discarded by dumb teams and then become good. Every year guys are discarded or included in trades as throw ins and become valuable. Hell Phoenix threw Melton into a deal last year and he got like $9M a year.

I’m much more into arguments that are based on his game rather than what bad front offices think about him. It isn’t a perfectly efficient market so the other teams passing doesn’t bother me either.

If you don’t think he’s a good defender or that his shooting will hold him back then I can understand that. Maybe teams don’t buy the defense in light of the scheme... those all hold more water than two dumb teams dumped him and other teams have signed him yet.

 

[NUMBERICA]

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Nearly identical advanced stats throughout 4 year career. Scout videos suggest their playstyles are very similar.

Both are terrible outside shooters coming out of school, but Forrest has a very good FT% and excellent touch on runners/floaters so it suggest he could eventually become a spot-up shooter.

Forrest played in the tougher conference and is the all-time leader in wins for Florida State.

Here is a good write up on Forrest: https://www.thestepien.com/2020/06/30/potential-draft-values-2nd-round-udfa/



Very Shaq Harrison-esque defensive highlights.

Dog, why the **** would anyone want Thing B because it MIGHT one day become Thing A when you can just go out and get Thing A?

The least you could do is make any ****ing sense.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Dog, why the **** would anyone want Thing B because it MIGHT one day become Thing A when you can just go out and get Thing A?

The least you could do is make any ****ing sense.

I mean, I think he's likely better with a year of experience so it's called investing in the future. Plus you get much more contract control over Forrest if he hits.

 

[KqWIN]

When Udoka has the same stats as Rudy did in his rookie year, I will know that we don't need Gobert anymore because we already have the next one. That's how this stats stuff works right......

 

[NUMBERICA]

I mean, I think he's likely better with a year of experience so it's called investing in the future. Plus you get much more contract control over Forrest if he hits.

K, but let’s say we just literally signed rookie Shaq Harrison: he’s not going to be useful for several years, if ever at all, or on this team by that time. Sorry, I ain’t jazzed about that, and it doesn’t change that we could have the idealized form of such a player in their prime right now.

You said yourself that you would like the Jazz to sign Shaq, so I’m unclear why this argument continues. And for how long this thread is, it doesn’t seem that anyone actually disagrees (even though, lol, it’s about NWG who would’ve also been better replaced by the player he would be lucky to become: Neto).

So maybe we should actually just sign him and we can all shut up and have a better team.

 

[infection]

I’m pretty miffed that RHJ went for a minimum on a camp deal. I hadn’t strongly considered RHJ because I thought he’d get a decent contract. That’s a legit rotation guy who would have a real role. Dude’s a hidden gem. A lot of people talk about Tucker and I think dude is kind of overrated. If RHJ could hit corner threes he’s way better than Tucker. I’d still take him over Tucker if given the choice. He’d have a bigger impact than Crowder. He’d be way better if a defender. Much less of a shooter (but to be fair Crowder never shot really well with us).

 

[rjfan]

If we were to drop him and not sign anyone in his place, we'd fall under the tax line ?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I’m pretty miffed that RHJ went for a minimum on a camp deal. I hadn’t strongly considered RHJ because I thought he’d get a decent contract. That’s a legit rotation guy who would have a real role. Dude’s a hidden gem. A lot of people talk about Tucker and I think dude is kind of overrated. If RHJ could hit corner threes he’s way better than Tucker. I’d still take him over Tucker if given the choice. He’d have a bigger impact than Crowder. He’d be way better if a defender. Much less of a shooter (but to be fair Crowder never shot really well with us).

Rhj has gotten worse at 3pt shooting every year

 

[infection]

Rhj has gotten worse at 3pt shooting every year

That's alright. We still have a lot more three point shooting than two years ago regardless. We need an enforce and energy guy.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Was listening to the Hollinger and Duncan pod last night because I couldn’t sleep and John mentioned that the Jazz won’t pay the tax... they will likely waive NWG and do the 10 day contract dance @idiot talked about. I’m still not sure that alone would make it possible... I’m not sure John has done the full math as he said we were like a million over the tax and it’s more like 1.7M.

I think they find a way to duck the tax and waiving or trading NWG non guaranteed salary will be part of that. I think a second part of the equation might involve trading Niang or Morgan for someone who was picked in the second round this year and signed a guaranteed contract... that will shave the additional $700k needed.

That is where I think this is headed.

 

[infection]

Was listening to the Hollinger and Duncan pod last night because I couldn’t sleep and John mentioned that the Jazz won’t pay the tax... they will likely waive NWG and do the 10 day contract dance @idiot talked about. I’m still not sure that alone would make it possible... I’m not sure John has done the full math as he said we were like a million over the tax and it’s more like 1.7M.

I think they find a way to duck the tax and waiving or trading NWG non guaranteed salary will be part of that. I think a second part of the equation might involve trading Niang or Morgan for someone who was picked in the second round this year and signed a guaranteed contract... that will shave the additional $700k needed.

That is where I think this is headed.

I bet you one of those many seconds we sent out is part of a secret deal where we get one back in this move. They’re probably even drafted the guy we wanted. It’s all part of a master scheme and DL has been 100% in control the whole time. He hatched this plan while in dorm at Baylor a few decades ago.

 

[KqWIN]

Was listening to the Hollinger and Duncan pod last night because I couldn’t sleep and John mentioned that the Jazz won’t pay the tax... they will likely waive NWG and do the 10 day contract dance @idiot talked about. I’m still not sure that alone would make it possible... I’m not sure John has done the full math as he said we were like a million over the tax and it’s more like 1.7M.

I think they find a way to duck the tax and waiving or trading NWG non guaranteed salary will be part of that. I think a second part of the equation might involve trading Niang or Morgan for someone who was picked in the second round this year and signed a guaranteed contract... that will shave the additional $700k needed.

That is where I think this is headed.

Two way contracts don't count against cap allocations...are you allowed to cycle those contracts and do the same dance?

I still have a hard time believing Morgan or Niang will be cut.

One thing @stitches has brought up is Udoka's salary. It is always assumed that a FRP ill get 120% of the salary figure, but they can theoretically sign for as little as 80%. Cutting NWG plus signing Udoka to 80% would get us there. He could sing for 100% of the scale if we cut Morgan instead of NWG. The Tucker and Udoka moves were inexplicable...but this ruthless level of penny pinching would make it all make sense.

The reason why we reached for Udoka was because he already agreed to less.....

EDIT: We could cut either Morgan or NWG and Udoka could be at 100% of the rookie scale.

 

[KqWIN]

Really, if the FO had any negotiation skills at all, they could have shaved off some money from the Favors and Clarkson deals....especially because both got player options. There should have been enough to keep all their guys and even sign another. I wish I negotiated my starting salary with DL.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Was listening to the Hollinger and Duncan pod last night because I couldn’t sleep and John mentioned that the Jazz won’t pay the tax... they will likely waive NWG and do the 10 day contract dance @idiot talked about. I’m still not sure that alone would make it possible... I’m not sure John has done the full math as he said we were like a million over the tax and it’s more like 1.7M.

I think they find a way to duck the tax and waiving or trading NWG non guaranteed salary will be part of that. I think a second part of the equation might involve trading Niang or Morgan for someone who was picked in the second round this year and signed a guaranteed contract... that will shave the additional $700k needed.

That is where I think this is headed.

Will teams want to bring in 10-days with covid?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I bet you one of those many seconds we sent out is part of a secret deal where we get one back in this move. They’re probably even drafted the guy we wanted. It’s all part of a master scheme and DL has been 100% in control the whole time. He hatched this plan while in dorm at Baylor a few decades ago.

Right? I think its more likely they ****ed the math up and do this dance to be slightly over the tax... then they panic trade Conley at the deadline.