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Cavs offer Gordo MAX deal (maybe)

So it seems like there are legitimately people on this board who are not understanding that Hayward getting a max deal would be in no way similar to arenas, Marbury, kirilenko, etc.

Hayward will make far less than those guys on a percentage basis due to the new cba, and the number of years he will be signing for is at 4 instead of 6 or 7 like the true "albatross" contracts.

Not only will Hayward's contract (if he really gets the max) be for less money, but the cap will be rising annually, which is being downplayed by some here, but is actually a significant factor in his next contract.

I am not advocating for Hayward to get maxed, but the arguments going on in this thread are ridiculous.
 
Chris said:
You might be on to something here. I was thinking the same thing. Maybe the report was *** backwards like seemingly every report for the last 3 weeks.
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I think the Jazz have more leverage than people realize... Even if a team wants to overpay to get Hayward, the Jazz can threaten to match and force the team to trade assets to get him. Getting Hayward could cost a team significantly.
 
b_line said:
So it seems like there are legitimately people on this board who are not understanding that Hayward getting a max deal would be in no way similar to arenas, Marbury, kirilenko, etc...

Hayward will make far less than those guys on a percentage basis due to the new cba
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Not in the first year.

It's probably also worth pointing out that the cap was increasing during AK's contract as well. The years and smaller annual raises do make a big difference though.

Still, Hayward isn't that good. Before this past season he was a decent spot-up shooter who could run the break. He's an average halfcourt defender. You don't pay an easily replaceable player $16mm per year.
 
b_line said:
So it seems like there are legitimately people on this board who are not understanding that Hayward getting a max deal would be in no way similar to arenas, Marbury, kirilenko, etc.

Hayward will make far less than those guys on a percentage basis due to the new cba, and the number of years he will be signing for is at 4 instead of 6 or 7 like the true "albatross" contracts.

Not only will Hayward's contract (if he really gets the max) be for less money, but the cap will be rising annually, which is being downplayed by some here, but is actually a significant factor in his next contract.
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All true...... changes nothing...... no way we should match a max contract for hayward.
 
As of this moment still no actual offer sheet?

I'm becoming convinced this is Gilbert playing games to get LeBron's attention.
 
candrew said:
As of this moment still no actual offer sheet?

I'm becoming convinced this is Gilbert playing games to get LeBron's attention.
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Part of the mind game here is that if you offer a max contract, that money gets tied up for three days meaning you can't offer other contracts to FA's.

Now you know why max contracts are intended to be given to guys like Lebron/Carmelo vs. the Haywards of the world.
 
Avery said:
Part of the mind game here is that if you offer a max contract, that money gets tied up for three days meaning you can't offer other contracts to FA's.

Now you know why max contracts are intended to be given to guys like Lebron/Carmelo vs. the Haywards of the world.
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Honestly, I think I'd prefer Hayward over Carmelo. After he left Denver their playing style became more team oriented (and they were better without him).
 
JAZZGASM said:
Honestly, I think I'd prefer Hayward over Carmelo. After he left Denver their playing style became more team oriented (and they were better without him).
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Omg... Now it all makes sense.


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According to HoopsHype, players currently earning between $14-15 mil a year are:

19. David Lee $15,012,000
20. Omer Asik $14,898,938
20. Jeremy Lin $14,898,938
20. Roy Hibbert $14,898,938
20. Eric Gordon $14,898,938
24. James Harden $14,693,906
25. Tyson Chandler $14,596,888
26. Brandon Roy $14,399,332
27. Josh Smith $14,000,000

https://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm#sthash.6enZ04Lv.dpuf


Is Hayward not better than a few of these players? Could a change in coach help him develop into a "max" player?
 
b_line said:
So it seems like there are legitimately people on this board who are not understanding that Hayward getting a max deal would be in no way similar to arenas, Marbury, kirilenko, etc.
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So it seems like there are legitimately people on this board who are not understanding what "in no way similar" means.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
According to HoopsHype, players currently earning between $14-15 mil a year are:

19. David Lee $15,012,000
20. Omer Asik $14,898,938
20. Jeremy Lin $14,898,938
20. Roy Hibbert $14,898,938
20. Eric Gordon $14,898,938
24. James Harden $14,693,906
25. Tyson Chandler $14,596,888
26. Brandon Roy $14,399,332
27. Josh Smith $14,000,000

https://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm#sthash.6enZ04Lv.dpuf


Is Hayward not better than a few of these players? Could a change in coach help him develop into a "max" player?
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Perhaps. But justifying overpaying for Hayward on the overpaying of other athletes is bad policy.
 
lol at people thinking that Quin can fix Gordon Hayward. Ty wasn't the one making him miss wide open jumpers time-after-time. His nickname should be "slumped shoulders".
 
UGLI baby said:
So you also don't understand the difference between a MAX guy then and now?

WTF dood. Thought u were better than this. Did poker night mean nothing to you??
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UR right. And here I was, thinking that $16+ million per year wasn't monopoly money.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
According to HoopsHype, players currently earning between $14-15 mil a year are:

19. David Lee $15,012,000
20. Omer Asik $14,898,938
20. Jeremy Lin $14,898,938
20. Roy Hibbert $14,898,938
20. Eric Gordon $14,898,938
24. James Harden $14,693,906
25. Tyson Chandler $14,596,888
26. Brandon Roy $14,399,332
27. Josh Smith $14,000,000

https://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm#sthash.6enZ04Lv.dpuf


Is Hayward not better than a few of these players? Could a change in coach help him develop into a "max" player?
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To be short, it seems you either don't understand that time changes things, what guaranteed contracts are, and that Hayward is indeed not as good as some of those players.
 
NUMBERICA said:
So it seems like there are legitimately people on this board who are not understanding what "in no way similar" means.
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Please explain again how the similarities in a contract that has huge 3% more on each raise and is three years longer is similar to a Hayward max? NOt even in the same ballpark bro. Hayward getting the max is likely a pretty big mistake, but he will still be at least semi trade-able, unlike Rashard Lewis, Gilbert Arenas, etc. Even AK was at least a good player, and not necessarily an albatross.
 
Paying Hayward $70 million dollars also sets a VERY bad precedent leading into negotiations with our other upcoming free agents. I guess Burks will get franchised at 5 years $90 million, then?
 
b_line said:
Please explain again how the similarities in a contract that has huge 3% more on each raise and is three years longer is similar to a Hayward max? NOt even in the same ballpark bro.
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Bro? Paying $17 million to a role player isn't at all similar to paying legitimate all-stars (at one time, for several consecutive years) $20 million? It actually be worse.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
According to HoopsHype, players currently earning between $14-15 mil a year are:

19. David Lee $15,012,000
20. Omer Asik $14,898,938
20. Jeremy Lin $14,898,938
20. Roy Hibbert $14,898,938
20. Eric Gordon $14,898,938
24. James Harden $14,693,906
25. Tyson Chandler $14,596,888
26. Brandon Roy $14,399,332
27. Josh Smith $14,000,000

https://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm#sthash.6enZ04Lv.dpuf


Is Hayward not better than a few of these players? Could a change in coach help him develop into a "max" player?
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The one player on this list who is definitely a better investment than Hayward is James Harden.

Lin and Asik are getting the money listed, but their cap hold is like half of that due to the way the contract is structured.

David Lee is probably a better contributor than Hayward, but he is getting old.
 
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