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Cavs offer Gordo MAX deal (maybe)

If the Jazz are willing to match and keep Hayward at the max, they deserve the mediocrity that follows.
 
GVC said:
We'll have to wait and see, I guess. I would assume that the revenue from that contract won't affect the cap until after the 16/17 season (which will be the first under the new TV contract IIRC). Gordo will be 3 years into his new contract, when the Jazz will have already re-upped Burks and Kanter and will be looking to re-up Burke.

Perhaps Locke's primary argument is that Gordo's new contract will be movable no matter what. I have a hard time believing a team will give up good assets for Gordo at $15-17mm if he continues to play at the level he played this past season. If Exum, Burke or Burks prove to be more effective on-ball players, and Gordo doesn't find his jumpshot, his contract will keep the Jazz from doing anything before 2018.

Second, he argues that the Jazz won't be any good so it doesn't matter. Awesome. If this is what the FO is selling, I'm finding a new team.

Third, he makes the argument that there's nothing else that can be done with the money. That's more than a little myopic IMO. We're already 3 seasons into the new CBA. The Jazz were able to land 2 1st round draft picks for cap space just a year ago. Who knows what will come available in the next couple seasons?

Finally, he makes the argument that the Jazz should keep him because they drafted him. Idiotic.
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I could not have said it better myself. Locke's arguments for keeping Gordon and not caring about the final number were beyond weak and pathetic.
 
billyshelby said:
What you said sounds exactly like the things fans of Arenas, Lewis, and Davis said to themselves on Day 1.

I could go into a longer diatribe, but as a general rule, MAX players are worth it from the jump, not guys you hope will play their way into MAX value. The irony is Arenas, Lewis, and Davis were all much more accomplished than Hayward before they signed their deals, and they failed. Joe Johnson was better than Hayward. Even Eric Gordon was better.

The market right now might say Hayward is a MAX player. But a smart GM will realize that the market tomorrow won't even as caps increase.
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I pretty much love this post.
 
ijazz said:
Yes & No.

If he scares everyone off, low balls Hayward, pisses him off. Nothing good happens there if he truly believes he is part of the future.

He needs to follow thru with at least 13/yr or Max.

If not, if I am Hayward I accept the 1 yr qualifying offer he has and become an unrestricted FA next summer.

Chess game.
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Almost nobody leaves a mountain of money on the table to play for 10% as much money and no security.
 
Who was the last player to shoot 41% in a season and then get a max contract?

Even low percentage volume max guys like Steve Francis and Stephon Marbury were in the 43-44% range before inking their deals and those guys were way more high profile than Gordo.
 
Locke made some good points about why we would match any offers of a MAX contract (he said it's around $15.7m).


Seems like it's a sellers' market at the moment with Meeks, Livingston, Bradley, etc, all getting paid wayyy above their projected values.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2MAsEDQjWW0
 
I didn't scroll through all 12 pages of this topic, but I have a serious question: Besides basically by default giving up on their chances of having LeBron return, why did Cleveland supposedly get gun shy about offering Gordo a good sized deal? It was reported that they knew the Jazz would match...so what? What did they have to lose by making the offer? Something doesn't add up here.
 
Time for a new nickname for Hayward...gtime is pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I propose Gordon "Mad Max" Hayward. Thoughts?
 
Chris said:
I didn't scroll through all 12 pages of this topic, but I have a serious question: Besides basically by default giving up on their chances of having LeBron return, why did Cleveland supposedly get gun shy about offering Gordo a good sized deal? It was reported that they knew the Jazz would match...so what? What did they have to lose by making the offer? Something doesn't add up here.
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Maybe they decided he wasn't worth it, and were afraid that the Jazz wouldn't match.
 
colton said:
Maybe they decided he wasn't worth it, and were afraid that the Jazz wouldn't match.
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You might be on to something here. I was thinking the same thing. Maybe the report was *** backwards like seemingly every report for the last 3 weeks.
 
Chris said:
I didn't scroll through all 12 pages of this topic, but I have a serious question: Besides basically by default giving up on their chances of having LeBron return, why did Cleveland supposedly get gun shy about offering Gordo a good sized deal? It was reported that they knew the Jazz would match...so what? What did they have to lose by making the offer? Something doesn't add up here.
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You should have read it your answer was in there.(twice) If the Cavs offered Hayward a max that money would be tied up for 3 days during which time they could not offer that money to another FA. So if they made the offer and we matched they might lose out on a more available player.
 
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