CEO raises minimum wage to $70000, takes $70000 wage himself until profits are met.

[The Pearl]

Dal,

I am going to assume that Obamacare solved or at least put a dent in healthcare bankruptcies and for that matter largely solved the healthcare problem in this country. You (not you personally, but the collective) can't have it both ways in terms of continued bemoaning the healthcare system and trumpeting the benefits of Obamacare. Those are two opposing arguments.

 

[The Pearl]

Why is money the Libarazzi's only motive? All I ever hear these softy lib kids talk about is bankruptcy, world happiness measured in terms of wealth inequality, affordable adult this and that, how expensive vehicles are these days, how somebody else should pay for their annual 28 day vacation like the Europeans get (oh wait, that myth has finally died)...

Do these people have any morals besides whatever puts money in their pockets regardless of the long term costs to society?

Liberals are not exempt from how humans are hard wired. People are mostly motivated in action and thought by greed and fear. Political alignment is largely a cover. Poor people in Red States vote Republican because they fear government intrusion more than they fear being on food stamps. Rich people vote liberal because they don't want their friends to think they are greedy, despite their lavish lifestyles.

Most people live lives filled with massive contradictions in thought and action.

As you well know, some of the greediest people are those that claim not to be...

 

[LogGrad98]

Why is money the Libarazzi's only motive? All I ever hear these softy lib kids talk about is bankruptcy, world happiness measured in terms of wealth inequality, affordable adult this and that, how expensive vehicles are these days, how somebody else should pay for their annual 28 day vacation like the Europeans get (oh wait, that myth has finally died)...

Do these people have any morals besides whatever puts money in their pockets regardless of the long term costs to society?

Actually Germans by and large do get 28 days vacation every year. On top of that anywhere from 9 to 13,depending on the state, of bank holidays. So is not uncommon to have more than 40 days off every year with pay.

 

[moevillini]

I'll never get the Dalamon/Thriller/Pearl Watson types.

now THAT would be a threesome for the ages



(sorry I have nothing more instructive to add to this discussion right now)

but I'm all for efforts to narrow the income gap between high wage earners and those in the middle

 

[Deleted member 848]

CEO raises minimum wage to $70000, takes $70000 wage himself until profits ar...

Dal,

I am going to assume that Obamacare solved or at least put a dent in healthcare bankruptcies and for that matter largely solved the healthcare problem in this country. You (not you personally, but the collective) can't have it both ways in terms of continued bemoaning the healthcare system and trumpeting the benefits of Obamacare. Those are two opposing arguments.

Obamacare is a step in the right direction-- any reversal would be damaging. With this said, the system is still largely insufficient, and needs large-scale rehaul. What you seem to be missing is the fact that most people who file for bankruptcy from health care costs actually HAVE health insurance of some kind. Consequently, the more widespread adoption of health insurance alone will not stymie the economic impacts of health care costs


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[Deleted member 848]

Actually Germans by and large do get 28 days vacation every year. On top of that anywhere from 9 to 13,depending on the state, of bank holidays. So is not uncommon to have more than 40 days off every year with pay.

Careful, Franklin might bust out the insults if you point out inaccuracies in his posts


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[Deleted member 848]

Dalamon, what do you think happens to a person who declares bankruptcy? You talk about it like they get fed into a furnace or something.

The fact that people are being brought to this point is quite tragic, regardless of how they're then handled


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[LogGrad98]

More proof of the overwhelming happiness of all europeans:

https://www.euronews.com/2015/05/04/trains-paralysed-in-germany-by-week-long-gdl-strike/

Everything at a stand-still. Something like only 20% of trains are running depending on the region. It is horrendous. And so people who usually take the train, but still own a car, are driving instead, making the freeways a mess. Ugh.

 

[moevillini]

More proof of the overwhelming happiness of all europeans:

https://www.euronews.com/2015/05/04/trains-paralysed-in-germany-by-week-long-gdl-strike/

Everything at a stand-still. Something like only 20% of trains are running depending on the region. It is horrendous. And so people who usually take the train, but still own a car, are driving instead, making the freeways a mess. Ugh.

So what you're saying is everyone is miserable anyhow, and maybe CEOs should continue to get very high salaries so at least THEY'RE happy!

j/k

I'm not really clear why a discussion on narrowing the wage gap has become conflated with socialistic public services.

 

[LogGrad98]

So what you're saying is everyone is miserable anyhow, and maybe CEOs should continue to get very high salaries so at least THEY'RE happy!

j/k

I'm not really clear why a discussion on narrowing the wage gap has become conflated with socialistic public services.

I am just providing the yang to other people's yin that Europe is some kind of panacea. There are problems there the same as there are problems in other places, at least the same as in other developed nations.

 

[franklin]

Actually Germans by and large do get 28 days vacation every year. On top of that anywhere from 9 to 13,depending on the state, of bank holidays. So is not uncommon to have more than 40 days off every year with pay.

Not much difference is there. I think I get 35 days/year plus 10 holidays.

 

[franklin]

Liberals are not exempt from how humans are hard wired. People are mostly motivated in action and thought by greed and fear. Political alignment is largely a cover.

To an extent but I think this line is plenty oversold. At the end of the day we are human and we do live by personal moral codes. There's a reason we collect into groups that by and large come to the same conclusions across a wide swath of political issues.

Most people live lives filled with massive contradictions in thought and action.

Simple truth.

 

[franklin]

Careful, Franklin might bust out the insults if you point out inaccuracies in his posts


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OMG OMG franklin's being mean to me.

Are you still crying about being treated in kind? I treat loggrad with respect because he deserves it. You, on the other hand, are a whiny little bitch kid who can't handle your own medicine and cares more about winning meaningless arguments than being civil. Keep on Thrillin, jr.

 

[LogGrad98]

Not much difference is there. I think I get 35 days/year plus 10 holidays.

Most work-a-day folks, who do not suckle at the government teat, per se, get limited days off, except in certain industries. Most hourly folks I have been around in my professional life are lucky to get 2 weeks of vacation a year, and smattering of holidays (Thanksgiving, Christmas Day, and New Years Day are about the only guarantees I have seen, and not always at that). Here the guys we just hired at 12 euros per hour are getting 28 days vacation, prorated for the year of course, the very day they start. That is almost unheard of in most American companies, sadly. Generally only in the financial industries and government do any Americans get even close to that.

 

[NAOS]

OMG OMG franklin's being mean to me.

Are you still crying about being treated in kind? I treat loggrad with respect because he deserves it. You, on the other hand, are a whiny little bitch kid who can't handle your own medicine and cares more about winning meaningless arguments than being civil. Keep on Thrillin, jr.

... but.... but.... Dalamon is only a meanie when the person in his crosshairs DESERVES it. Pls don't forget how Dalamon invented the RIGHTEOUS USE OF THE DAIRY QUEEN. Srs, he invented it. And he doles out justice only in the most appropriate ways. Emmk.

 

[franklin]

Most work-a-day folks, who do not suckle at the government teat, per se, get limited days off, except in certain industries. Most hourly folks I have been around in my professional life are lucky to get 2 weeks of vacation a year, and smattering of holidays (Thanksgiving, Christmas Day, and New Years Day are about the only guarantees I have seen, and not always at that). Here the guys we just hired at 12 euros per hour are getting 28 days vacation, prorated for the year of course, the very day they start. That is almost unheard of in most American companies, sadly. Generally only in the financial industries and government do any Americans get even close to that.

I tried to find an article about it for you yesterday but got bored and fired up the video games. Last comparison I read was in the Economist about 5 years back and there wasn't much meaningful difference in average time off from country to country. The only real difference is Germany legislates it and we do not. Big whoop. They work harder on the clock than we do so it's a wash.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Most work-a-day folks, who do not suckle at the government teat, per se, get limited days off, except in certain industries. Most hourly folks I have been around in my professional life are lucky to get 2 weeks of vacation a year, and smattering of holidays (Thanksgiving, Christmas Day, and New Years Day are about the only guarantees I have seen, and not always at that). Here the guys we just hired at 12 euros per hour are getting 28 days vacation, prorated for the year of course, the very day they start. That is almost unheard of in most American companies, sadly. Generally only in the financial industries and government do any Americans get even close to that.

ItS a MyTH!!1!!

 

[Deleted member 848]

well ****, I guess i'm wrong then.

fiksd.

 

[Harambe]

No.

Why do I feel lied to?

 

[Deleted member 848]

OMG OMG franklin's being mean to me.

Are you still crying about being treated in kind? I treat loggrad with respect because he deserves it. You, on the other hand, are a whiny little bitch kid who can't handle your own medicine and cares more about winning meaningless arguments than being civil. Keep on Thrillin, jr.

Your posts are a lot more whiny in tone than mine. Read the last few pages if you don't believe me. You're the one throwing the most direct insults and launching generalizations-- not I. I just don't give a **** for your condescending bullying, and I feel perfectly comfortable calling you out for inconsistencies in your posts as opposed to giving up. That's probably what seems to be annoying you the most. I've never had other posters tell me that I cannot carry on conversations in a civil manner (I've been told quite the opposite, in fact). Just as I've done so many times both inside and outside this thread, I'll take the high-road and not bother bowing down to your level by responding with an insult myself.