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DutchJazzer said:
where where all you outraged when Berkley happened.
or the leftist bike lock professor cracking a dude's skull!

the left started it, now it is escalating!

it will only get worse
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dunno 'bout Holland or Venezuela, but here in the US we got humor. If we ever get so serious we're gonna crack, that's when a little humor will get us through.3

I think Trump is hilarious, almost as hilarious as Red.

Joel Skousen sits in his little cave and figures NK is there to be the trigger for the next WW jus' so the Bigs can bring up the curtains on the new world order once and for all. Putin the realist is making a move into Afghanistan with his cultural organizers, and I think he's got a plan to outflank us in Iran too. Does anyone here know how many Iranians are in Russia waiting for their Bay of Pigs? We have'em here, too. That's why when the US and NATO fell into Soro's trap to let his goons move on Ukraine, it was something Russia had to respond to rationally to secure it's military bases. We fired the first shot when we broke the START treaty agreement to keep our mitts off Ukraine.

Well, China is making moves too. Everybody's got to secure their interests.

I think we should make a game of NK, something like shooting traps. redundant reliable destruction of everything they shoot up above their treeline. Nothing more is needed. It wouldn't be an "attack" really, just defense.

We should send Rodman over to visit his bud, and tell'im they can watch the show from the presidential mansion porch, drink a lot, and play basketball after the show is over. Just let our crazy globalist/societal managerial elitists stew in their juices and worry about the stability of the economy or something. And laugh at them. Laugh at them a lot. They are just nuts.

For sure we should laugh at our fear-mongering media.
 
babe said:
So, the whole world looks different upside down, I guess. Don't know why you folks care to look at it that way.

Hannity and Jones did the complete analysis of Trumps timeline and remarks, and made it out that the media is lying. What more could anyone say? Trump said we are all one people made alike by one God, that hate and bigotry are deplorable and what we need is Love, that violence is never acceptable. Do you guys realize ten times as many people listen to Jones and Hannity as CNN or any other "mainstream" retailer of hysteria? This just isn't Cronkite's American anymore.

Hannity said he's been around conservatives in politics forever, and doesn't know any "white nationalists", so they've gotta be fake. Jones calls it standard political tactics. No doubt both sides of the violence were done by paid Soros stooges. Conservatives are not racists, or violent. Nothing like Hitler's thugs, who set the Reichstag ablaze as a pretext for seizing the government into his tight little dictatorial pinkies. Conservatives don't really even know who Machiavelli is, or Trotsky, or Brit parlor-pansies, or any really effective manipulative political tactics for jerking the people around as needed. This is pure Saul Alinsky strategy.

But this is gonna be the hype for months to come.... street violence run by political strategists designing to take down Trumps.. . yawn.... conservatives have other stuff to do. Let the "media" run off the mouth, let Soros' stooges tear up the streets. Every day tens of thousands of good old fashioned Dems decide to quit the Party.

Well, anyway, nobody believes CNN or other agent-provocateur fake "press" anymore. Life is just too complicated. Gotta go get some groceries on the way home from work, and pull up some good movie off Roku.

And really, guys, you oughtta listen up. There's two righteous beautiful black ladies... Diamond and Silk.... layin' it out for us every day.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/08/13/diamond-silk-dont-white-nationalists-antifa

Honestly, I don't know any conservatives who ever get together for a demonstration of any kind. We're not stooges. We know nobody in DC is gonna listen to us.

So put it down in yer little book of facts. If anybody has some kind of "extreme" group hawking some allegedly "conservative" political cause, be it gun rights, or some weird sort of societal schismatic hate, or saving the un/newborn being parted out in the clinic, it's gotta be a fake group hired by Soros...... or the CIA under some stooge like Brennan.

[MENTION=4984]Bulletproof[/MENTION]. This is a work of art, learn to cultivate any eye for the unexpected in every post.
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[MENTION=970]babe[/MENTION], are you telling me your post is a work of art? The Charlottesville situation was an antifa work of art? Or this thread is a work of art?
 
The Thriller said:
Well, Trump eventually denounced white supremacists. But it happened today, about 2 days too late. Most are panning it as lacking in energy and conviction and full of desperation due to how much criticism he's received.

Another white pride rally is being planned for 9/11 at Texas a&m.

Hold on to your butts
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It's been cancelled.
 
I had a friend growing up. He lived with his grandparents.

He'd share his grandpa's wisdom with me. This was the 80s.

Cars could easily get 100mpg but that was being covered up so that oil companies could get more of our money.

AIDS was created by the U.S. government, but got a little bit our of their control.

You had a right to drive a car and didn't really need a driver's license.

Vaccines are bad (they were ahead of the curve on this one).

The Asians in our neighborhood should just go back to Asia.

It was safer to NOT wear a seat belt. I mean, what if your car is stuck on railroad tracks? What if your car rolls, you'd rather be thrown form the car to safety, right? Cars catch on fire and burn the passengers because they can't get out of the car fast enough, because seat belts.
 
Calling his post art is just babe's way of saying he's in on his own joke, that the propaganda and nonsense he writes is more performance art than serious discussion.
 
The view of Charlottesville from Europe:

https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Eur...aftermath-Europe-sees-widening-divide-with-US

"AUGUST 14, 2017 PARIS—President Trump’s initially vague critique of the white supremacist march through Charlottesville, Va., is being viewed in Europe as a clear sign of divergence between American and European leadership in the face of new expressions of hate in the West.
Europeans have expressed doubts about Trump's commitment to post-war bodies such as NATO and to the liberal ideals that undergird the transatlantic relationship. But the devastating events of this weekend have delivered a shock – creating a moment that may prompt Europeans to reevaluate where America is heading.

Trump more forcefully denounced white nationalism Monday, telling journalists at the White House that “racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups.” For some observers, however – even across the Atlantic – the delay meant it rang hollow."

An editorial in The Guardian: a moral failure that shames America:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...nd-racism-a-moral-failure-that-shames-america

From the Israeli press. Walking with rabbis and other members of the clergy:

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.806689

And for some, enough is enough...

http://www.salon.com/2017/08/14/its...-our-president-personally-made-this-possible/

"It was bad enough that Trump has surrounded himself with “alt-right” white supremacists like Sebastian Gorka, Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller. It was bad enough that Trump constructed his entire political message around a racist dog-whistle, appealing explicitly to the “forgotten men and women” of America. (There was little mystery about what color they were.) It was bad enough that throughout his campaign and presidency so far, Trump has pandered to aggrieved white people angry about Black Lives Matter and the first black president, while he simultaneously demonized nonwhites, be they immigrants or citizens. And then, in Bedminster, New Jersey, on Saturday, he vindicated all our suspicions with the most atrocious presidential remarks delivered in generations.......

.....We’ve endured incompetent presidents before. We’ve endured criminals in the Oval Office before. But we’ve never had both a Nazi appeaser and an apparent Russian puppet in the White House before. Now we’re beginning to see the real and fatal consequences of allowing a terrifyingly incompetent villain to ascend to this station, and matters can absolutely get worse. There’s no silver lining here, just a raw and mandatory urgency for Donald Trump to be legally ejected from his intolerable stewardship of the American presidency."
 
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Vice News correspondent Elle Reeve goes behind the scenes in Charlottesville with white nationalists leaders, the Charlottesville Police, and Black Lives Matter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIrcB1sAN8I&app=desktop
 
DutchJazzer said:
i ussually get pissed of because of ad hominem attacks. instead of on my argument.

at the moment i am learning Spanish. i understand most everything now. but my grammatical is worse than my English.

i have met a lot of venezuelan refugees. and have become friends with them.

anyways. when i stat something about individualism vs collectivism. people tend to tell me how i spelt individualism wrong.

whenever the right try and state their opinion they get belittled.
from racist/bigot/homophobe/sexist/science denier/transphobe and now russians
even getting called clingers (religion and guns)!

how about when i state i am against abortion.
and you are pro abortion(don't know if you are but lets assume).
we start from why am i against it. i will state taking a life without a valid reason is wrong.
and i think live starts at conception.
you might state that by law live starts at birth.

but maybe scientifically how is live defined. i know science get **** wrong. that i why i think it is better not be safe and not have abortion at all.
but people do not seem interested in defining when human life begins. and thanks to science the viability of a fetus outside the wound keeps getting earlier and earlier.

but instead i get called a sexist and hypocrite for wanting small government but when it comes to abortion i want the government into women's womb.

while i never get the change to explain what small government role is.
for example small governments role is protection of live for the defenseless, a fetus if you consider it a human being, is a defenseless person and needs the governments help to not be "murdered". so it does not go against my principal of small government.

but people never seem to grasp the point of view of the right on the case of abortion. if you understand our point of view. we should only argue on what human life is and when does human live begin. but the left does not seem to want to entertain this option. i have a theory as to why, because maybe science proves them wrong. they rather have a law telling them what a person is, than science. but this is speculation from what i have heard about it.

and maybe we want people to stand for the consequences of their action, you have sex you enjoyed it now the woman is pregnant, the man now must marry her. be a man by taking on the responsibility of his actions. and be there for the woman and child. giving the child a stable basis. as stats show children with both parents do better!


i am always open for reasonable discussion, but recently in real live i had a discussion with my aunt, and now she calls me Nazi sympathizer. because at a certain point she had no more counter arguments. basically it was about free speech and hate speech about who decides what hate speech is. she siad the government. so i told her so you want hitler to decide what hate speech is. or trump or in case of the Netherlands politician geert wilders is found in court for saying "Mohamed married a 6 year old, and by today standards it is called pedophilia". i todl her we either allow all speech or none. except in cases of real crimes(conspiracy).
but when i told her so you wnat the government to decide what we are allowed to say. so i told her Hitler, Chavez, Castro, trump. note i am not anti trump, she is so she would not want trump to decide what should be said or not. she got mad and called me a nazi sympathiser. for saying earlier in the discussion i think people should be able to fly their nazi flag. because it is better to know where those people live!
but now she goes around the family telling everybody how i am a nazi sympathiser. and you want me to remain reasonable!
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How do you reason with people that are callin out Trump for sayin we all need to respect each other an create a safe world for are childs?
 
Boris said:
How do you reason with people that are callin out Trump for sayin we all need to respect each other an create a safe world for are childs?
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The divide is great. Had donnie not a history with racism, demonstrated personal and genetically passed to him, this probably would have been written off.

But he has a history of protecting the alt right. What are the alt right?

It's easy to say a bunch of racists. But it's a little more complicated than that. The larger "Alt Right" thinks they're just asking for equal treatment. But they've always had better than equal treatment, and the fact that they have to live in the same reality where everyone else does is frightening.

But then they spew that society is removing white history, and that white people are having their rights taken away. Neither is true, but it's a chance for poor white people to mix in with rich white people... a false sense of societal equivalence. But white trash are usually pretty dumb. But I mean, they have convincing points that will need to be addressed and corrected, or compensated for one day. The United Negro College Fund? Affirmative Action hires? The ability not to be questioned when using the N word? It's the kinda **** that makes reasonable white folk roll their eyes. But angry, put out, left out, poor, or otherwise offput white folk that need a mantle on which to place their frustration?

So at the end of the day, you've got Rich, Privileged folk making poor folk think they're fighting for the same thing. Mix that with a generation or two of the actual racists and white supremacists who will do anything to keep white power on top, and you've really got a bad mix.
 
Wait... I forgot civility.

Why would the snowflake right care about removing all these participation trophies?
 
Harambe said:
Wait... I forgot civility.

Why would the snowflake right care about removing all these participation trophies?
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I have always found some humor in people yelling about their patriotism as they hold a flag from a secessionist movement.
 
If you get a chance watch the early Russell Crowe film Romper Stomper, its about a skinhead gang in Melbourne's West. I'm from that part of Melbourne and grew up there at the time the film came out, I remember growing up with skinhead gangs and gangs in general. The general climate was probably very similar to what is going on in parts of the US, rapid de-industrialisation, mass unemployment and a huge amount of resentment directed toward immigrants. The right in Australia has capitalised on this and used race to divide the working class, the major Center-Right Liberal party has moved to become a diet version of the Tea Party and to their right is another far right minor party that is not far from fascist (again in a very Australian in dinky way). It has dragged the entire political discourse to the right and in this climate violent right wing groups like the United Patriots Front have emerged and spout racial and religious hatred at rallies around the country. Its ****ed.
 
Harambe said:
The divide is great. Had donnie not a history with racism, demonstrated personal and genetically passed to him, this probably would have been written off.

But he has a history of protecting the alt right. What are the alt right?

It's easy to say a bunch of racists. But it's a little more complicated than that. The larger "Alt Right" thinks they're just asking for equal treatment. But they've always had better than equal treatment, and the fact that they have to live in the same reality where everyone else does is frightening.

But then they spew that society is removing white history, and that white people are having their rights taken away. Neither is true, but it's a chance for poor white people to mix in with rich white people... a false sense of societal equivalence. But white trash are usually pretty dumb. But I mean, they have convincing points that will need to be addressed and corrected, or compensated for one day. The United Negro College Fund? Affirmative Action hires? The ability not to be questioned when using the N word? It's the kinda **** that makes reasonable white folk roll their eyes. But angry, put out, left out, poor, or otherwise offput white folk that need a mantle on which to place their frustration?

So at the end of the day, you've got Rich, Privileged folk making poor folk think they're fighting for the same thing. Mix that with a generation or two of the actual racists and white supremacists who will do anything to keep white power on top, and you've really got a bad mix.
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All ********. Typical race card.

Than you go on with liberal hate speech callin us dumb white trash.

An you use stupid new invented words engineered to attack, degrade, hurt, an deviate from the conversation.

An you shamelessly openly racist discard the entire cultural history of an entire group of people. Guess what ******* white people an blacks an native Americans an ever other cultures wanna preserve there ****in Heritage. So GTFO with your racism.

Back on track. Trump said we need to respect each other an live in peace. You never trumpers are so far out on the limb at this point it's hardly a twig.
 
Boris said:
All ********. Typical race card.

Than you go on with liberal hate speech callin us dumb white trash.

An you use stupid new invented words engineered to attack, degrade, hurt, an deviate from the conversation.

An you shamelessly openly racist discard the entire cultural history of an entire group of people. Guess what ******* white people an blacks an native Americans an ever other cultures wanna preserve there ****in Heritage. So GTFO with your racism.

Back on track. Trump said we need to respect each other an live in peace. You never trumpers are so far out on the limb at this point it's hardly a twig.
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So... I get to use the words "white trash" just like African American's get to use the N word. I grew up 100% American, Redneck, poor white trash. Racist? No. But I understand everything I just said every step of the way. Unlike the Alt Right, and you, I tried to understand it instead of bitch and moan.

I haven't discarded the history of a whole race of people. It's not like the North were all black, and the South white, so that's just an invalid argument to begin with. Now, the south's heritage is preserved, and recognized, in history books. The American Civil war is very well documented(compared to other wars of that age) from all sides, and preserved in perpetuity through books, and now the internet. It's not like we're ripping the books out of the libraries and burning them(Thanks, Christians!)

Now, the celebration of that heritage with statues should, well, never have happened. And it only happened because of "The south will rise again" mentality.

Back on track, donnie said we need to respect each other after a white supremacist literally killed another white person for counter protesting their rally. Why wouldn't you call someone out, unless you don't want to hold them accountable?

Why would you not want to hold them accountable, unless you want to protect them?

Why would you want to protect a white supremacist?
 
DutchJazzer said:
they are extremist.
both sides have those!

but to me it seems left extremist seem to be more mainstream
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It's appauling how Freedom of Speech is abused. Everyone wants to be a part of that forum that's a bastion of free speech.

And then you get there, and 60% of the posts are pedophiles or nazi's.

30% are people that just don't want to be held accountable for their actions(anonymity freaks).

The last 10% are people just as lost as you are. :(
 
Yesterday, alex jones blamed George soros. He claimed that 8 months ago Soros doubled his spending on liberal groups and that's what resulted in counter protestors clashing with Nazis over the weekend. Of course, it couldn't be because Nazis by themselves are repulsive. Anyway, he claimed that he predicted this 8 months ago and it's gonna lead to a civil war and to buy more of his crappy meteor eclipse chicken bone protein powder.

Hannity blamed the "destroy trump media" and compared BLM to Nazis.

Rush today is calling for the irrelevance of taking down these statues. He said that public education never teaches about the constitution or civil war because teaching about the civil war would admit that slavery and inequality had already been dealt with (he ignored the Jim Crow laws instituted after the civil war and the unjust laws and policies instituted post civil rights era). He also claimed that in order for these petty insecure snow flakes to feel completely pure about getting rid of all of these slavery reminders, that they'd have to get rid of the "democrat party."

And then after all of that, how would their lives be improved? So what's the point?

Interesting takes from the leaders of the right wing.
 
Alex Jones is a leader of the right wing? Please.

Jones is a voice for the extreme hard right, a vocal minority.

Is it so hard for you to be intellectually honest?
 
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