Child firing Uzi at Ariz. shooting range accidentally kills instructor

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And how having a gun saves you if the other guy has a gun too? Brake ins, roberies and other small crime will happen unfortunately. Having more guns does not make your country any safer. See Japan for example... gun related crime is 0.001 % there or so. Scandinavian countries - almost zero as well. Basically non existent. You guys need to change your mentality and culture more than gun laws. Now I understand that it is largely impossible to do anything quickly in USA due to amount of firearms in the country. But something needs to be done.

Comparing one countries raw crime statistics to another is inappropriate for a whole host of reasons. Conservatives will often point to mexican gun violence to show the folly in gun control laws.

You can compare a countries murder rate before and after gun control to itself to better understand the effect of the law, even this has it's pitfalls. You still should consider socioeconomic and demographic changes that have taken place over that time period.

If you look at the yearly murder rate in England you will see that it has been much lower than the US since forever. You will also see that since instituting the 1996 handgun ban the murder rate has actually increased. Likewise if you look at the US murder rate since the expiration of the assault weapons ban you will see it has actually gone down.

Both of these are likely caused by changing factors such as immigration, median age, education, income inequality, etc. rather than the gun control laws. The evidence for reduced crime or even murder because of gun control laws doesn't really hold up if you actually bother to look at the stats objectively.

 

[Stoked]

What percentage of gun owners in USA bought their guns with 2 Amendment in their mind? I bet half of them don't even know it.

Own a gun? That's the beauty of it. It's your choice. The attempt At forcible confiscation is a guaranteed civil war where 10,000 or Manny more die.

 

[MVP]

So Heyhey, do you see a problem in USA leading whole world by far in child related gun death and accidents? And what needs to be done to get that number down to average European country number for example?
Switzerland has more guns per capita than USA, yet their numbers of gun related crimes and accidents are nowhere near USA. What's the difference? Why you Americans can't be as good as Swiss? Isn't one of God's commandments is "thou shall not kill"? How come mostly atheist countries are doing so much better in that regard?

 

[MVP]

Own a gun? That's the beauty of it. It's your choice. The attempt At forcible confiscation is a guaranteed civil war where 10,000 or Manny more die.

So what's the solution? Or you guys don't see a problem at all and are ok with what's happening in USA?

 

[LogGrad98]

I don't NEED a gun, I WANT a gun. I think they are fun to shoot, and I enjoy entering competitions at the local gun range. I don't hunt or nothing, just like to hear it go BANG.

I don't NEED pizza, I WANT pizza. Yeah I know that by and large it is bad for me, but I enjoy eating it. I'm not italian or nothing, just like the way it tastes and the satisfying lubricated poop I get from greasy food, and pizza is awesome for this!

I don't NEED beer, I WANT beer. Actually I don't because I think beer tastes like donkey piss, but I am making a point here, and I know there are some people who want it.

I don't NEED sex, I WANT sex, because I thoroughly enjoy it. And I'm not even a whore or a john! Imagine that!!



Get it??

 

[MVP]

I don't NEED a gun, I WANT a gun. I think they are fun to shoot, and I enjoy entering competitions at the local gun range. I don't hunt or nothing, just like to hear it go BANG.

I don't NEED pizza, I WANT pizza. Yeah I know that by and large it is bad for me, but I enjoy eating it. I'm not italian or nothing, just like the way it tastes and the satisfying lubricated poop I get from greasy food, and pizza is awesome for this!

I don't NEED beer, I WANT beer. Actually I don't because I think beer tastes like donkey piss, but I am making a point here, and I know there are some people who want it.

I don't NEED sex, I WANT sex, because I thoroughly enjoy it. And I'm not even a whore or a john! Imagine that!!



Get it??

So my examples are bad?
LOL what if I want a nuclear bomb? Should I have rights to have it?
You wanting a pizza or beer does not affect me or my kids in anyway. You wanting a gun and having easy access to it makes me not happy. Who can guarantee me that one day a screw in your head won't turn lose and you won't end up with your WANTED gun in a movie theatre or school where my kids are?

 

[LogGrad98]

So my examples are bad?
LOL what if I want a nuclear bomb? Should I have rights to have it?
You wanting a pizza or beer does not affect me or my kids in anyway. You wanting a gun and having easy access to it makes me not happy. Who can guarantee me that one day a screw in your head won't turn lose and you won't end up with your WANTED gun in a movie theatre or school where my kids are?

I didn't make any judgement calls about that, you did. You are the one with the agenda. I was just pointing out that it is not a NEED issue, it is largely a WANT issue, so drop the whole "who needs a gun that will blow a hole clean through an elephant length-wise". There are TON of things we have in this life because we WANT them and absolutely do NOT NEED them. Why does anyone NEED alcohol? It kills WAY WAY WAY more people every year than guns do, including wars. Why aren't you out there raising the banner to get everyone to stop drinking?

 

[moevillini]

on a more serious note:
Link:
https://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_c2
and for you lazy obama loving entitled hippies who are to lazy to click

and

https://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/27/opinion/robbins-why-was-child-firing-uzi/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

tl, dnr

I'm too lazy to scroll through all the miles of text that shows up on my iPod. What have you got for me?

 

[moevillini]

depends.

is that what you're wearing these days?

 

[moevillini]

The concept that a person has the right to defend them self with arms, in general, but more specifically against a tyrannical government.

Because tyrannical governments are generally taken down by unruly mobs brandishing small firearms.

More often it's the unruly mob brandishing firearms that puts the tyrannical government into power. Or even a very well organized mob.

Some of you seem to have it backwards.

 

[DutchJazzer]

AFAIK, the guy is not even in US. He is residing in the Netherlands. I am not familiar with the Dutch gun laws but I doubt he owns guns there...

i am not a dutch citizen not born here, in my home country which i will return to in the next 12 months i do own.

 

[DutchJazzer]

TSA
NSA
CIA
FBI
DHS
BLM
NSF
IRS
SSA
NPS
ATF
BP
DEA

See the pattern?

back in the day there was only FBI and CIA

 

[DutchJazzer]

Just because dutchjazzer is shameless and worthy of public ridicule doesn't mean that word needs to be repeated. (My personal theory is that dutchjazzer is a 40-year-old dude from Logan who maybe went on his mission to Amsterdam and has been trolling the **** out of JF for the last ten years)

which would make me a genius, trolling for 10 years and still being here

 

[DutchJazzer]

Of those rulers you listed, how many were taken down by civilians with guns?

I know Hitler was taken down by military.... sadaam also.

exactly gun laws in iraq and nazi germany differed.

you just made my case why guns are needed

 

[DutchJazzer]

Well that because your priorities are out of whack

nope freedom is more important that the luxury of a car

 

[DutchJazzer]

I respect the Constitution and our right to bear arms. I also highly respect that people are trying to teach their loved ones proper gun safety. However, the notion that parents are bringing nine year olds to gun ranges to fire Uzis and the like is just mind boggling to me. There is absolutely no need for this imo. Zero.

you have the freedom to chose not to.
as have others.

[problem is these anti gun communist want to take that freedom away

 

[Jose_Ortiz_fan]

which would make me a genius, trolling for 10 years and still being here

I found out who carolinajazz was, so don't think I can't find out who you are.

 

[fishonjazz]

nope freedom is more important that the luxury of a car

Having a car is a freedom but you are willing to let them take your car away?

 

[moevillini]

The range says on its Facebook page: "We separate ourselves from all other Las Vegas ranges with our unique 'Desert Storm' atmosphere and military style bunkers."



Bullets and Burgers is part of a tourism niche offering packages costing up to $1,000 to shoot different high-powered weapons. The range offers bachelorette parties, birthdays and weddings events. It is one of at least a dozen gun ranges in the Las Vegas area catering to tourists from around the world.

Apparently the motto of "Bullets and Burgers" is "Let 'er rip!"

Yes!!! Let's have a bunch of drunk bridesmaids firing Uzis. Won't those make memorable photos and get all kinds of comments on Facebook and Instagram. Maybe even turn it into a drinking game for more thrills. Gives new meaning to the term shotgun wedding.

I'm sorry folks, this place is designed primarily for entertainment, not education. Anyone who thinks these parents brought their child(ren) here to learn about gun safety is nuts. They came so their kid could go back to school with a really unique show-and-tell.

Guess they got that, didn't they?

So sad on so very many levels.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Hey, there is no question hundreds years ago when USA were established guns played different role. But why would you need that old and outdated law or constitutional right in 21 century? Wasn't there a law once that women should obey her husband? Maybe we should keep that one instead?

ok
you are right.

BAN GUNS!