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#1 Jazz trade #5, #23 and future first top 3 protected to Orlando for #4 and the right to draft Exum. I think it is clear Orlando values Marcus Smart and even today are bringing him in for a workout. The worked him out last year as well. The Jazz apparently are not as high on Smart yet reportedly value Exum greatly.

#2 The Jazz stay put in which case they choose from Vonleh, Randle and Gordon with Saric as an outside possiblity. PKM has said the Jazz have been in touch with Indiana's coaches quite a bit yet have been very silent with Kentucky in reagrds to Randle. This makes Vonleh the front runner if they choose to stay put at #5. I think Vonleh will be given the opportunity to be a stretch 4 and thus the Jazz will have quite an interesting 4-5 big man rotation

#3 the Jazz trade down. Historically teams that trade down never seem to get the best results. Looking back at teams that have traded down, the end result is typically at best a toss up but typically the tema that traded up got the best of the trade. I don't see the Jazz trading down in this draft
 
svenguru said:
#1 Jazz trade #5, #23 and future first top 3 protected to Orlando for #4 and the right to draft Exum. I think it is clear Orlando values Marcus Smart and even today are bringing him in for a workout. The worked him out last year as well. The Jazz apparently are not as high on Smart yet reportedly value Exum greatly.

#2 The Jazz stay put in which case they choose from Vonleh, Randle and Gordon with Saric as an outside possiblity. PKM has said the Jazz have been in touch with Indiana's coaches quite a bit yet have been very silent with Kentucky in reagrds to Randle. This makes Vonleh the front runner if they choose to stay put at #5. I think Vonleh will be given the opportunity to be a stretch 4 and thus the Jazz will have quite an interesting 4-5 big man rotation

#3 the Jazz trade down. Historically teams that trade down never seem to get the best results. Looking back at teams that have traded down, the end result is typically at best a toss up but typically the tema that traded up got the best of the trade. I don't see the Jazz trading down in this draft
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#4 - Jazz stay at #5 and one of the top 4 falls to the Jazz. There is no need to give Orlando three picks to move up one spot. If Orlando loves Smart and takes him then one of the big four will be available. Perhaps the Bucks love Exum and that would lead Parker or Wiggins in place for the Jazz to draft them. If all 4 our gone then you look at #2 or #3.
 
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The Jazz could trade down and get a vet and a lower pick and draft Nik Stauskas or McDermott. I would be down with that.
 
AKMVP said:
I have yet to see any report about it. Link?
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I know David Locke has been repeatedly saying that the Jazz love Exum in interviews on 1280. He's said that for months and as recently as in the last week. I am not sure what they think about Smart.
 
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I know David Locke has been repeatedly saying that the Jazz love Exum in interviews on 1280. He's said that for months and as recently as in the last week. I am not sure what they think about Smart.
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The only source that I know of is Chad Ford and he has repeatedly said that his sources tell him the Jazz are not as high on Smart
 
cowhide said:
#4 - Jazz stay at #5 and one of the top 4 falls to the Jazz. There is no need to give Orlando three picks to move up one spot. If Orlando loves Smart and takes him then one of the big four will be available. Perhaps the Bucks love Exum and that would lead Parker or Wiggins in place for the Jazz to draft them. If all 4 our gone they you look at #2 or #3.
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Why wouldn't Orlando try to get additional assets if Exum is available and the Jazz come knocking?? If they are happy with selecting Smart and the Jazz come with an offer of multiple picks to get #4 to assure they can get their guy(Exum) it would be a no brainer for Orlando. Of course this is why teams smokescreen. They want to procure additional assets. Perhaps they have been higher on Smart all along but they are leaking that their real interest is in Exum because they Know the Jazz are very high on Exum.
 
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sojodave said:
The Jazz could trade down and get a vet and a lower pick and draft Nik Stauskas or McDermott. I would be down with that.
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History for the most part does not reflect kindly on the teams that trade down:
•2006: Chicago traded #2 LaMarcus Aldridge to Portland for #4 Tyrus Thomas, 2004 draft rights to #22 overall Viktor Khryapa, and 2007 2nd round pick (Demetris Nichols) Obviously terrible for Chicago
•2004: 2 days before the draft, the Clippers traded #2 (Emeka Okafor) to the expansion Charlotte Bobcats for #4 (Shaun Livingston) and #33 (Lionel Chalmers). Charlotte also agreed to select Predrag Drobnjak in the expansion draft, which was basically a $2.55MM salary dump. Advantage Charlotte
•2001: Clippers traded #2 Tyson Chandler and Brian Skinner (traded 3 weeks later to Toronto) for Elton Brand. This one ended up being ok although it was not really a trade down situation

•1997: Philadelphia traded #2 Keith Van Horn, Michael Cage, Lucious Harris and Don MacLean to New Jersey for #7 Tim Thomas, #21 Anthony Parker, Jim Jackson, and Eric Montross. Disastrous for Philly
•1995: Clippers trade #2 Antonio McDyess and Randy Woods to Denver for #15 Brent Barry and Rodney Rogers. Terrible for Clippers
 
The only source that I know of is Chad Ford and he has repeatedly said that his sources tell him the Jazz are not as high on Smart
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Thank goodness...This is the second best news I've heard all day.
 
#1 is a ridiculous price to move up a spot, even in this draft. 5th and 23rd should cover it, if not, they can suck it.

#2 - I want Gordon, and if he shoots well in workouts, a case for BPA could easily be made.

# 3 is when you go #1 and #2 at the same time.
 
Sexual Favors said:
#1 is a ridiculous price to move up a spot, even in this draft. 5th and 23rd should cover it, if not, they can suck it.
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I agree with this offer. Take it or leave it.
It's just one spot. If it were two or more maybe worth a better offer.
Orlando gets three first round picks.
Jazz have enough young talent to cover losing the #23 pick.
 
I was sky-high on Smart a year ago, but am substantially less so now. Outside of his size, competitiveness and leadership qualities, I'm not sure what other elite talents he brings to the table, if any. He's a decent ballhandler, mediocre shooter, decent passer, decent athlete, etc (by NBA standards, that is). I still love his game because he has that killer instinct and swagger you can't teach. I just question how his game translates.

Exum I'm higher on largely due to the unknown, frankly. I haven't seen his game enough to nitpick or really make out what I think of him. Regardless, the 5, 23, and a future top-3 protected (let's be honest, that could be an 8-10 choice next season, I think we're lotto-bound again) is a hell of a lot to move up one slot. But if the FO loves Exum, maybe it's worth it.
 
Option #1. Trade up for a top 3 pick, or not at all.

Option #2. Stay put and let the chips fall as they may.

With option #1, the Jazz get Embiid (not likely), Wiggins or Parker. I'd keep the Core5 and offer up 5, 23 and the 2015 pick, but no more. If they can add a player like that I feel strongly that they will be very improved.

With option #2, it only takes one team to fall in love with Randle, Vonleh or Smart for the Jazz to get Parker, Wiggins or Exum outright. If that happens, I'd hope for option #3. . . take the best player available at 5 and then push hard to trade 23, the 2015 pick and taking back bad contracts to move back up into the top 8 and nab the best left of Gordon, Smart, Vonleh or Randle. All of those guys have All-Star potential. Landing two (especially if one is a top 4 guy) is well worth the risk.
 
sojodave said:
The Jazz could trade down and get a vet and a lower pick and draft Nik Stauskas or McDermott. I would be down with that.
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I wouldn't. I'd rather get a young prospect and then see what this young group can do. I am in no hurry to get swept in the first round of the playoffs. Let's build this team properly rather than rush back to mediocrity.
 
I call it the "Diaw Effect" -- SA's dismantling of an athletically superior Thunder team with a Stretch Four strategy. I'm sure Dennis noticed how Diaw negated Ibaka by pulling him away from the basket. Since we're never going to have two transcendent players like Durant and Westbrook, we should adopt the SA model with great-but-not-transcendent players at every position. PG: Trey/Parker SG: Burks/Greene SF: Hayward/Leonard C: Favors/Duncan. That leaves the PF position: Vonleh/Diaw. I think the Jazz have targeted Vonleh all along because he would be a bigger Marvin Williams with a better low-post game. We then trade Kanter and #23 to Sacramento for #8 and draft a small forward. Mark my word -- Vonleh is our pick.
 
Honestly I want to see come good info that there is no chance in hell we end up with ****. I had 3 or 4 of my dreams come true in life and I really do not want this one to happen. As I posted before I had a dream way before lottery that we ended up with 5th pick and drafted ****. First part already happened, if second part will happen I probably will go on hiatus from being a Jazz fan. It just would be to much to convince myself to cheer for the team when they will have 4 players I hated prior draft. Already took forever to accept Hayward, Burks and Kanter.
 
svenguru said:
History for the most part does not reflect kindly on the teams that trade down:
•2006: Chicago traded #2 LaMarcus Aldridge to Portland for #4 Tyrus Thomas, 2004 draft rights to #22 overall Viktor Khryapa, and 2007 2nd round pick (Demetris Nichols) Obviously terrible for Chicago
•2004: 2 days before the draft, the Clippers traded #2 (Emeka Okafor) to the expansion Charlotte Bobcats for #4 (Shaun Livingston) and #33 (Lionel Chalmers). Charlotte also agreed to select Predrag Drobnjak in the expansion draft, which was basically a $2.55MM salary dump. Advantage Charlotte
•2001: Clippers traded #2 Tyson Chandler and Brian Skinner (traded 3 weeks later to Toronto) for Elton Brand. This one ended up being ok although it was not really a trade down situation

•1997: Philadelphia traded #2 Keith Van Horn, Michael Cage, Lucious Harris and Don MacLean to New Jersey for #7 Tim Thomas, #21 Anthony Parker, Jim Jackson, and Eric Montross. Disastrous for Philly
•1995: Clippers trade #2 Antonio McDyess and Randy Woods to Denver for #15 Brent Barry and Rodney Rogers. Terrible for Clippers
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You forgot the most obvious one:

•2005: Utah acquired the 3rd pick from Portland in exchange for the 6th pick, the 27th pick and a 2006 first-round draft pick. Jazz drafted Deron Williams, Portland gets Martell Webster and Linas Kleiza in 2005 and selects Joel Freeland with the #30 pick in 2006. It was also disclosed after the draft that Utah had promised to take C.J. Miles with their #27 pick. They drafted him at #35 and Larry H. not only guaranteed his contract, but paid him the equivalent of the #27 pick.

What all these deals show is that the price for moving up 1 spot should be no more than the #23 pick. To give Orlando 3 picks including one in the late lottery next season would be outrageous.
 
Core4 said:
You forgot the most obvious one:

•2005: Utah acquired the 3rd pick from Portland in exchange for the 6th pick, the 27th pick and a 2006 first-round draft pick. Jazz drafted Deron Williams, Portland gets Martell Webster and Linas Kleiza in 2005 and selects Joel Freeland with the #30 pick in 2006. It was also disclosed after the draft that Utah had promised to take C.J. Miles with their #27 pick. They drafted him at #35 and Larry H. not only guaranteed his contract, but paid him the equivalent of the #27 pick.

What all these deals show is that the price for moving up 1 spot should be no more than the #23 pick. To give Orlando 3 picks including one in the late lottery next season would be outrageous.
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To me it is not outrageous if they feel that Exum will be Franchise level player. Remember orlando is said be rather infatuated with exum as well so it will probably take a sweeter deal for them to settle on smart
 
svenguru said:
To me it is not outrageous if they feel that Exum will be Franchise level player. Remember orlando is said be rather infatuated with exum as well so it will probably take a sweeter deal for them to settle on smart
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True. And your proposal does not include trading any of our current promising young players.
And good info on the trades that have involved moving down.

Definitely rep worthy for your posts in this thread.
 
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