Clinton will win easily
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Hotdog
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And when the under 30 crowd grows up they too will have similar views. Then the new under 30 crowd will call them old and out of touch, etc, blah blah blah. Circle of life.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Basket of deplorables sounds worse than trash. Didn't she say they were irredeemable too?
That's the funniest thing about liberals. "You just wait till hispanics take over!". "Oh when young people grow up, you better watch out!".
I don't think they will have the same views. But they will have different views than they have now, and they will for sure be just as ****ty.
Their views will change. But not all of their views, especially social issues don't usually change. Gay rights, legalization of marijuana and other issues have become the majority because younger people that have thought that for awhile are growing up. But I was more pointing out that people in this age group are upset by the results but had they voted in larger numbers it would have changed the results.
But over time there is gradual change, and it all seems like it is toward liberalism. Racism, tolerance of gays, abortion, rejection of religion, free love, whatever. Go back 50 years, 100 years. Really, is there any way that society is more conservative now than 50 and 100 years ago? The only reason "conservatives" are still around half the vote is because they are changing along with everyone else.
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The vast majority of voters, and Americans in general, are woefully underinformed regarding the working of government. Most people hear what they hear on TV and on the radio. Media drives the education of most Americans, and for college kids it is skewed by the agenda of the intelligentsia, which is often far more skewed than even the media. This means we will really never have an educated voter base on most issues. They hear "pro-life" or "big business" or "flip-flopper" and immediately form opinions regarding the candidates based on talking points. I have always made a real effort with my kids to get them to dig into the issues, figure out what is important to them and what the candidates are saying about those issues, and form their own opinions. This year I had 3 kids old enough to vote and we had some very good conversations about things from the economy to race relations to international relations and lots in between. But in the end that is the issue.
Today's issues are not the only possible issues. They might be okay with marijuana, but they will have their own prejudices, and they will vote their own interests. We will mourn the inevitable collapse of civilization each time we don't get our way, just as we do now.
Read my response to Broncster above.
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I disagree. I think there are some fanatics that have the will and means to push a liberal agenda on everyone that makes it look like that is where the country stands. If you do not embrace homosexuality in all its forms you are labeled a hater and less than human, for example, it isn't about acceptance, you have to be a full-on PROPONENT of it to be clear of the charges of hater, racist, homophobe, et al. However I think most Americans are far more centrist than that and there is some backlash. You could argue that this election is an example of that backlash.
It sounds like you don't like gays.
There will be new issues and prejudices. Young people will be out of touch on those when they grow up as a group. That is progress to me though. Social issues are all getting better in this world and hopefully will keep heading that way. The world is a better place than it was for my parents and I hope and assume that will continue.
I don't disagree. But then again, I'm a leftist socially.
To recap, there is no progressive destiny. There are no grand narratives. I agree that young people tend to be more progressive, as I define social progression, than their elders. But there is no predicting the values of a society in the long term, specially when demographic change brings with it a cultural shift.
Also, and before I go to work, I just want to say that personally, the only kind of progress that truly matters to me is technical progress. I think everything else is a side effect.
I remain optimistic, as depressed as I am being represented by Donald Trump.
Good night.
Also, and before I go to work, I just want to say that personally, the only kind of progress that truly matters to me is technical progress. I think everything else is a side effect.
I remain optimistic, as depressed as I am being represented by Donald Trump.
Good night.
♪alt13
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I would also like to point out that "hispanics", on average, are not exactly liberal. Like wtf are you guys talking about.
That's certainly true. Especially the ones that are "uneducated voters". I have two brother in laws that are hispanic(one speaks Spanish the other does not). Neither one is liberal. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the one that speaks Spanish voted for Trump. I'm pretty sure that my other brother in law didn't vote.
♪alt13
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Don't feed the troll. Look at his brief post history.
Yes, I don't know how anyone would interpret the 1.5 million FEWER votes that Trump got compared to Romney 2012 as any kind of backlash. If there was a backlash, it was Democrats against their own candidate, 6 million fewer votes than Obama 2012.
candrew
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I don't see it as a large gap - just the opposite. Trump, a man who openly bragged about sexually harassing women, carried a significant majority of white women 51-45 college, 62-35 non-college. Shoot me if I find that a bit surprising.