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Collier Starting Over Keyonte: Are We Happy?

SoberasHotRod said:
Keyonte has had stretches of looking like a starting level guard, offensively. Go look at his November/December splits where he was shooting about 54% efg%, on about 24% usg%.

Here is a list of guards with usg% above 20% sorted by efg% and you can see that Keyonte would be right there if he kept up that efficiency: https://www.nba.com/stats/players/a..._PCT*G*20&PlayerPosition=G&dir=A&sort=EFG_PCT

He's also a good enough passer (27.4% ast%, 2/1 ast/to ratio) that he doesn't need to be branded as just a microwave scorer or can only come off the bench guy. He's a young guard who needs to be more consistent and needs to play defense. He's still got a tone of potential.

I would bet that this benching is a motivation thing, and not some indictment on where the Jazz see Keyonte's future being.
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His passing has been pretty good this year. Doesn't get enough credit from his naysayers for that
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
His passing has been pretty good this year. Doesn't get enough credit from his naysayers for that
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Not sure I'm a naysayer I just think he's not this primary guy and offensively my biggest issue is how he runs the offense. Its just too slow and he seems to be more inefficient when trying to do it. I think he was being used wrong and is more of a cog in the offense than a quarterback of it... which is okay. I was always fine with the experiment.

I guess what I am trying to say is the passing is good. Actually great if he's a secondary/tertiary playmaker. It was the other stuff (handle, pace, feel) that left me skeptical of him as a pg. I don't think Collier passed him on the depth chart or future prospect rankings that DA has in his office lol. I just think they saw the benefit of Collier and are using both guys in different setups to see what works. We will get loads of the Collier/Key backcourt after the trade deadline. Likely wanted to provide some motivation for Key and not touch Sexton's trade value. Also lets you see Collier next to a vet more.

This year I think I am actually having a little more belief in Key as a player overall than last year. He's had more consistent good stretches. I think he just got a little too much hype for a minute there last season.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Kind of shocked no thread has been created about this, because it's a fairly large development.

Once coined "Lisan Al-Gaib" by @Handlogten's Heros he is now relegated to being our 6th man (at least until a trade is made).

Locke podcast today basically stated Collier plays harder, so that's why he is starting now.

For the record: I think it's a great move. Collier has more potential as a PG and he is a much better defender. Along with Harkless, the Jazz now have some dogs on the defensive end and I hope they are rewarded with more minutes.
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someone predicted this awhile ago: https://jazzfanz.com/threads/number...efore-collier-becomes-the-starting-pg.219647/
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Keyonte has had stretches of looking like a starting level guard, offensively. Go look at his November/December splits where he was shooting about 54% efg%, on about 24% usg%.

Here is a list of guards with usg% above 20% sorted by efg% and you can see that Keyonte would be right there if he kept up that efficiency: https://www.nba.com/stats/players/a..._PCT*G*20&PlayerPosition=G&dir=A&sort=EFG_PCT

He's also a good enough passer (27.4% ast%, 2/1 ast/to ratio) that he doesn't need to be branded as just a microwave scorer or can only come off the bench guy. He's a young guard who needs to be more consistent and needs to play defense. He's still got a tone of potential.

I would bet that this benching is a motivation thing, and not some indictment on where the Jazz see Keyonte's future being.
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I like this.

He's a secondary advantage-creator/playmaker. Put him next to a primary guy like Kasparas and things could turn for the better in a hurry.
 
Whether starting is good or bad for Keyonte…it’s great that he’s facing some kind of resistance to shortcomings. I felt so uncomfortable with the franchise giving him unlimited freedom and immunity from consequences. It’s unfortunate that he wasn’t actually as good as the FO/Hardy thought he was, but better that we cut the crap now instead of letting those bad habits fester even further.

I think young players need some room to breathe and the ability to play free, but Key’s privilege was definitely out of control.
 
Key and Collier are both in big contention for the worst players in the league that get the minutes that they do. When both are this bad, I don’t mind throwing a bone to the guy who is playing harder especially when the other guy has gotten too much freedom.
 
KqWIN said:
Key and Collier are both in big contention for the worst players in the league that get the minutes that they do. When both are this bad, I don’t mind throwing a bone to the guy who is playing harder especially when the other guy has gotten too much freedom.
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I'm tired of reading this kind of s***t on this board. Let our rookies and young players breathe. Key and Collier have a lot of stuff to learn, but so do other players their age.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You've lost that much interest in the Jazz?
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Not that really, just we are tanking so as long as what they do lineup wise doesn't result in too many wins then I don't care

Once we are trying to win again then things like this will please me or upset me or whatever.
 
underdog said:
I'm tired of reading this kind of s***t on this board. Let our rookies and young players breathe. Key and Collier have a lot of stuff to learn, but so do other players their age.
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It's your issue if you choose to project this on their future. I did not make an indication on their future, only their current play.
 
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