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Stickler said:
Could this young man have been a CIA operative carrying out a well-orchestrated kamikaze mission? What could be better for the Democrats, now, than to secure their stranglehold on America by creating an event that could lead to the end of free speech? Think about it: In the wake of Wikileaks, we already see them erasing whistle-blower protections. We already see the FDA under Obama's administration compromising the freedom of the internet. If an event occurred -- such as this shooting -- that could be blamed on the propaganda (as the Commucrats would call it) of the right-wing, it would set the stage for Obama to finally begin to regulate the air-waves, to silence Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones... In furtherance of the New World Agenda, B. Hussein Obama will use every power of his administration to silence we, the righteous opposition. We cannot let that happen. We must be ever vigilant. We must be ever watchful. We must prepare for the polar shift, and wait for our chance to (strike that)... wait for our time.

Of course tonight we grieve along with the families of the injured and the deceased. Join me in praying for the souls of the innocent. Join me in praying for the destruction of our enemies, the Democrats.
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I'm sure your post was tongue in cheek, but there are some facts that actually support some of the things you said. First off, the FCC did recently kill Net Neutrality:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/craig-aaron/net-neutrality-haters-lov_b_799266.html

And now Obama is going to give every American a unique Internet Identification:
https://www.engadget.com/2011/01/09...-moves-forward-with-unique-internet-id-for-a/

And this is after things like this happened (in a pathetic attempt to prevent Wikileaks from sharing any info):
https://mashable.com/2010/11/27/homeland-security-website-seized/

I'm no right wing nutjob, I actually voted for Obama. But what he is doing (and allowing to happen under his watch) should be downright scary to any American paying attention.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
Please enlighten us. What does the tea party support that is so dangerous? The constitution? Freedom? I've never a seen a lick of evidence that it's a violent movement. The tea party aren't going to be the people smashing windows and causing violence when **** hits the fan, that much is clear by the actions of the far left in other countries. The left in this country are all wannabe Europeans, their story has already been told.
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Are you serious? Here is a good start:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU9GXil9Vm8
 
SaltyDawg said:
I'm sure your post was tongue in cheek, but there are some facts that actually support some of the things you said. First off, the FCC did recently kill Net Neutrality:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/craig-aaron/net-neutrality-haters-lov_b_799266.html

And now Obama is going to give every American a unique Internet Identification:
https://www.engadget.com/2011/01/09...-moves-forward-with-unique-internet-id-for-a/

And this is after things like this happened (in a pathetic attempt to prevent Wikileaks from sharing any info):
https://mashable.com/2010/11/27/homeland-security-website-seized/

I'm no right wing nutjob, I actually voted for Obama. But what he is doing (and allowing to happen under his watch) should be downright scary to any American paying attention.
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And even though he misidentified the FDA, there was a recent Food Safety bill passed that has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with codex alimentarius - more control. International control. FDA contol. You can feel Monsanto bursting at its genetically modified seems with happiness. Auswitchz Chicken Farms can hardly contain their feed.
 
I miss the version of Duck Rodgers that pined over some girlfriend and constantly asked for relationship advice. Where did that lovable loser go?

This new conspiracy theorist version is kind of no fun.
 
New pet theory:

A lot of Loughner's incoherent ramblings start to have a certain internal logic if you believe he misheard the term "Tetragrammaton" as Tetragrammarton.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton

His stuff about god, the army, and government control of grammar is further harmonized into paranoid fears due to this misunderstanding if he's seen the movie "Equilibirium" which uses the title "Tetragrammaton" in an even more specific way.
 
Sirkickyass said:
I miss the version of Duck Rodgers that pined over some girlfriend and constantly asked for relationship advice. Where did that lovable loser go?

This new conspiracy theorist version is kind of no fun.
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Heck, kicky, I'm with you on that sentiment. LOL.


I really think he needs to get laid or something.

edit: Maybe he's getting laid too much and he needs to get dumped. That might bring the old Duck back to us.
 
and now the latest i've read seems to indicate they believe he acted alone. I still find it hard to believe it truly was "politically" motivated - - but Loughner definitely seems to have some major screws loose. I haven't read too much of the stuff they've quoted from him, but what I have reads makes no sense at all, even when I try to look at it from the perspective of a truly warped mind.


That clip that Salty posted is pretty scary. Yikes.

and I came across this:
...During his campaign effort to unseat Giffords in November, Republican challenger Jesse Kelly held fundraisers where he urged supporters to help remove Giffords from office by joining him to shoot a fully loaded M-16 rifle. Kelly is a former Marine who served in Iraq and was pictured on his website in military gear holding his automatic weapon and promoting the event.

"I don't see the connection," between the fundraisers featuring weapons and Saturday's shooting, said John Ellinwood, Kelly's spokesman. "I don't know this person, we cannot find any records that he was associated with the campaign in any way. I just don't see the connection" ...
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https://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110109/ap_on_re_us/us_congresswoman_shot

perhaps no direct connection between Loughner and the campaign of Jesse Kelly, but reading about the rhetoric and imagery of that campaign is pretty disturbing and clearly portrays that candidate and his spokesmen as advocating something that many would find objectionable
 
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Wow, just read the yahoo news article about the arrest and say that one of the people killed was a little girl born on Sept 11, 2001. My daughter was born exactly 2 weeks later. Kinda makes it all hit home.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
The whole thing was about 2nd amendment response to a tyrannical government and you're saying that's kooky? She didn't say go out and shoot someone, she was simply observing that people might eventually have to fight for their rights. Do you not believe it could come to that? It has before.
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Ok, so you've had a chance to voice your incorrect opinion. Now here's the actual quote:

You know, our Founding Fathers, they put that Second Amendment in there for a good reason and that was for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government. And in fact Thomas Jefferson said it's good for a country to have a revolution every 20 years.

I hope that's not where we're going, but, you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is t
ake Harry Reid out.
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Summary:

This Congress needs to do what "The People" want. If not, then under the writings of Thomas Jefferson (spawned from others writings such as Thomas Paine's Common Sense), the people have "A Right" for revolution.
If Conservatives feel like they aren't being listened, and feel that Liberals are trampling over their rights, and that they government is being "Tyrannical" then they have a right to abolish that government... By any means necessary... Even violence... Which is why the 2nd amendment (right to bear arms) was created.

We can start by taking Harry Reid out. (Obviously inferring the ballet box. However, she doesn't exactly rule out taking him out by physical force. Otherwise, she wouldn't have even mentioned all that crap about the 2nd amendment, revolutions, etc.).

This is why all political parties and media need to start acting more responsibly. It's not a game. Hundreds of loyalists were tortured, displaced, raped, and killed because of propaganda. Today, powerful agents of the media and the right wing are spewing hatred. While ultimately the responsibility of actions fall upon individuals, the individual influence of few is felt by the many.

Thanks for playing!
 
Duck Rodgers said:
Please enlighten us. What does the tea party support that is so dangerous? The constitution? Freedom? I've never a seen a lick of evidence that it's a violent movement. The tea party aren't going to be the people smashing windows and causing violence when **** hits the fan, that much is clear by the actions of the far left in other countries. The left in this country are all wannabe Europeans, their story has already been told.
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Seriously? Have you paid attention to conservatives for the past decade????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWghjiFFDlo

Hannity bringing up Obama "Hanging out" with terrorists. Suggesting that our President sympathizes with terrorists... Or actually is one. So what feelings are those going to generate? Duck, please answer, don't just run away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60f06PuYNTo

What kind of reaction is pouring gasoline over "The American People" going to provoke?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNp9GSbFQhQ

Can't this map be interpreted in many different ways? Possibly... Violent ways?

PalinCrosshairs.jpg


Locally, caucuses here in Utah weren't about promoting x candidate, but on bashing a certain incumbent. It was described by Bob Bennett

"The political atmosphere obviously has been toxic."
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The toxic political atmosphere (mostly generated from foxnews, amradio, and tea baggers) that we're tolerating is only going to generate more and more incidents like we saw yesterday.
 
The Thriller said:
(Obviously inferring the ballet box. However, she doesn't exactly rule out taking him out by physical force. Otherwise, she wouldn't have even mentioned all that crap about the 2nd amendment, revolutions, etc.).
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How did you even continue after that? You clearly understood what she said, yet you take it off to fairy tale land with your own spin job. Who are you, Josef Gobbels? Stop being hypersensitive about everything.
 
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Duck Rodgers said:
How did you even continue after that? You clearly understood what she said, yet you take it off to fairy tale land with your own spin job. Who are you, Josef Gobbels? Stop being hypersensitive about everything.
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The bottom line is she was talking about using the second amendment to stop the government. So when a congress woman gets shot, you can't say you've never heard a tea bagger advocate violence. She clearly advocated violence, and you justifying it is part of the problem.
 
moevillini said:
Heck, kicky, I'm with you on that sentiment. LOL.


I really think he needs to get laid or something.

edit: Maybe he's getting laid too much and he needs to get dumped. That might bring the old Duck back to us.
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See, the difference between your perception of me and my perception of me, is that I know where all of this is coming from. I know the books I've read, I know the government documents that I've read. I know the financial statements I've read. And I'm content with that. So when people call me a loony or a nut job, it just doesn't matter anymore. And I'm just very thankful that I've had an opportunity to do so over the past couple of years because I realize that not everyone has the time that I do, especially at my age, or frankly wants to read as much as I do. That's the only reason I've changed, because I realized that a lot of my education through high school and college wasn't worth anything. I really want to know how this world really works and I'm getting closer to that point.

I just encourage people to read. If something is a conspiracy, then find out for yourself. Read Webster Tarpley's book on staged terror and 9/11 instead of just saying only nut jobs believe in it. Read books on the zapruder film. Read books about who financed the Nazis. Read about how powerful the Queen of England really is, rather than accepting the media's portrayal of her as being as a figurehead. Read books about science manipulation. Read books about psychological conditioning. Read books about statistical manipulation. Read about how Peirs Corbyn predicts the weather more accurately and further out through the old school methods, focusing on the lunar and solar cycles of the world, defying modern meteorology that scientists claim have little impact on weather. That's a huge pillar in the global warming fight. And on and on and on. I've changed a lot of minds of people around me just by pointing them to the right books.
 
SaltyDawg said:
The bottom line is she was talking about using the second amendment to stop the government. So when a congress woman gets shot, you can't say you've never heard a tea bagger advocate violence. She clearly advocated violence, and you justifying it is part of the problem.
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You guys kill me. Hey, how about this one.... Maybe the violence is the result of him growing up watching his ****ing government murder masses of people in the Middle East/Asia. Maybe being around that his whole life set him off? That's much more plausible then trying to pin his deeds, or any people of his ilk that may act out, on some lady from Nevada that has never killed a person herself and couldn't even beat Harry Reid in an election.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
See, the difference between your perception of me and my perception of me, is that I know where all of this is coming from. I know the books I've read, I know the government documents that I've read. I know the financial statements I've read. And I'm content with that. So when people call me a loony or a nut job, it just doesn't matter anymore. And I'm just very thankful that I've had an opportunity to do so over the past couple of years because I realize that not everyone has the time that I do, especially at my age, or frankly wants to read as much as I do. That's the only reason I've changed, because I realized that a lot of my education through high school and college wasn't worth anything. I really want to know how this world really works and I'm getting closer to that point.

I just encourage people to read. If something is a conspiracy, then find out for yourself. Read Webster Tarpley's book on staged terror and 9/11 instead of just saying only nut jobs believe in it. Read books on the zapruder film. Read books about who financed the Nazis. Read about how powerful the Queen of England really is, rather than accepting the media's portrayal of her as being as a figurehead. Read books about science manipulation. Read books about psychological conditioning. Read books about statistical manipulation. Read about how Peirs Corbyn predicts the weather more accurately and further out through the old school methods, focusing on the lunar and solar cycles of the world, defying modern meteorology that scientists claim have little impact on weather. That's a huge pillar in the global warming fight. And on and on and on. I've changed a lot of minds of people around me just by pointing them to the right books.
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You're delusion, dude. Just because you read stuff, it doesn't make things absolute.
 
Archie Moses said:
You're delusion, dude. Just because you read stuff, it doesn't make things absolute.
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I'm not sure you've ever read a non-fiction book in your life that wasn't forced upon you by a school based on the book topics we've had on here. You do realize that government documents and original sources, are in fact, facts right?
 
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