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Not sure where to put this, but should we look in to getting Andrew Nembhard?

He just had a good game for Canada in the Olympics and had a couple of really good games in the playoffs when Haliburton was hurt. He might be at the intersection of gettable and about to level up.

People in Indiana love him, but they are going to run in to a money crunch eventually and he might not be a great fit next to Haliburton.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Not sure where to put this, but should we look in to getting Andrew Nembhard?

He just had a good game for Canada in the Olympics and had a couple of really good games in the playoffs when Haliburton was hurt. He might be at the intersection of gettable and about to level up.

People in Indiana love him, but they are going to run in to a money crunch eventually and he might not be a great fit next to Haliburton.
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He signed an extension
 
The “reports” have been dubious, but it still makes sense. What doesn’t make sense is NOP going into the year with Theis as their only real center ready to play. I’m fully expecting a deal with either POR or UTA.

The West is viscous. I don’t think NOP has time to play around and wait until the middle of the season to go and get a center. They could fall out of playoff contention.
 
These NOP guys start discussing Ingram to UTA trades at around the 24 mark. Start at the 19 minute mark if you want to hear some outsider Lauri talk, but it might be triggering for some.

Summary (Paraphrasing stuff)

Would you do Collins+Kessler for Ingram with no picks

- No picks makes it tough, very difficult decision. NOP is desperate for size. A CLE pick would likely do it.
- Skepticism about running smaller unit in the meantime
- Skepticism that better deal will be available for Ingram before deadline
- Concept of waiting brought up, they don't love it
- Watching the tax line is important
- Moving CJ to POR a possible option that could make sense....but that would mean Ingram walks (not enough money)
- Resigning BI in general tough bc of tax reasons. Might have to dump CJ somewhere (mentions giving pick to WAS in Brogdon swap)
- One of the scrubb bigs would likely go back to UTA (JRE or Karlo)
- Would make sense for Jazz to try to move Clarkson for a big afterwards
- Is something going to happen? 2/3 say predict that something will happen
- They need a C that grabs rebounds because Zion's rebounding is week
- Priority is on a big that does big things
- Which Jazz C would start and which would finish more often? Mixed feelings, but 2/3 seem to be leaning towards Collins.
- Collins 3 point shooting is actually pretty similar to Ingram, could be a special offense with DJ-Herb-Trey-Zion-Collins


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYAptzL77do
 
I wonder if Danny would have the balls to ask the Pelicans for a draft pick(s) in a Collins/Walker for Ingram trade
 
KqWIN said:
These NOP guys start discussing Ingram to UTA trades at around the 24 mark. Start at the 19 minute mark if you want to hear some outsider Lauri talk, but it might be triggering for some.

Summary (Paraphrasing stuff)

Would you do Collins+Kessler for Ingram with no picks

- No picks makes it tough, very difficult decision. NOP is desperate for size. A CLE pick would likely do it.
- Skepticism about running smaller unit in the meantime
- Skepticism that better deal will be available for Ingram before deadline
- Concept of waiting brought up, they don't love it
- Watching the tax line is important
- Moving CJ to POR a possible option that could make sense....but that would mean Ingram walks (not enough money)
- Resigning BI in general tough bc of tax reasons. Might have to dump CJ somewhere (mentions giving pick to WAS in Brogdon swap)
- One of the scrubb bigs would likely go back to UTA (JRE or Karlo)
- Would make sense for Jazz to try to move Clarkson for a big afterwards
- Is something going to happen? 2/3 say predict that something will happen
- They need a C that grabs rebounds because Zion's rebounding is week
- Priority is on a big that does big things
- Which Jazz C would start and which would finish more often? Mixed feelings, but 2/3 seem to be leaning towards Collins.
- Collins 3 point shooting is actually pretty similar to Ingram, could be a special offense with DJ-Herb-Trey-Zion-Collins


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYAptzL77do
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Listened to this today... glad you posted a summary cuz I think it was really fair. Shamit seems pretty smart... We've talked some on twitter and I tried to see if he heard anything real on BI to Utah or if it was just "it makes sense" stuff. He didn't answer though.

I actually think a BI trade is more likely than a Lauri trade... not sure if some sort of meter of measurement is needed but its at like a 1.27%
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Listened to this today... glad you posted a summary cuz I think it was really fair. Shamit seems pretty smart... We've talked some on twitter and I tried to see if he heard anything real on BI to Utah or if it was just "it makes sense" stuff. He didn't answer though.

I actually think a BI trade is more likely than a Lauri trade... not sure if some sort of meter of measurement is needed but its at like a 1.27%
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I think a BI trade aligns with both teams (attempted at least) strategy. I’m not in love with it, but I think I would do the BI for Kessler/Collins swap. It’s the riskier path imo. There’s higher downside risk with paying Ingram or Kessler improving dramatically…but I think median outcomes actually play out better for us. That swap doesn’t hurt our Lauri+tank. I think Kessler+Collins win us more regular season games. The more talent you have condensed in less players the better…but I also wonder if the FO would try to scramble to fill out the roster and try for the play in (I’m not a fan of that).

Kessler could be in for a big year and maybe even big career…I’m still not sure if it happens here. Just doesn’t seem to be the type of big Hardy wants. I think Hardy wants versatility and skill out of his big instead of a traditional roll/cut + drop big. But he was still very good in his rookie year so idk.

One way or another I think something happens with NOP. The “it just makes sense meter” is really high on this one.
 
KqWIN said:
I think a BI trade aligns with both teams (attempted at least) strategy. I’m not in love with it, but I think I would do the BI for Kessler/Collins swap. It’s the riskier path imo. There’s higher downside risk with paying Ingram or Kessler improving dramatically…but I think median outcomes actually play out better for us. That swap doesn’t hurt our Lauri+tank. I think Kessler+Collins win us more regular season games. The more talent you have condensed in less players the better…but I also wonder if the FO would try to scramble to fill out the roster and try for the play in (I’m not a fan of that).

Kessler could be in for a big year and maybe even big career…I’m still not sure if it happens here. Just doesn’t seem to be the type of big Hardy wants. I think Hardy wants versatility and skill out of his big instead of a traditional roll/cut + drop big. But he was still very good in his rookie year so idk.

One way or another I think something happens with NOP. The “it just makes sense meter” is really high on this one.
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Our true tanking strategy is that its going to be the year of discovery for Walker. We will give him 40 games as a pick and pop high volume 3 point shooter and 40 as a post up primary option. Tell him he needs to get up 20 shots every night.

I think NO is kinda stuck so I am guessing if we offered it they deal would get done without picks.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Our true tanking strategy is that its going to be the year of discovery for Walker. We will give him 40 games as a pick and pop high volume 3 point shooter and 40 as a post up primary option. Tell him he needs to get up 20 shots every night.

I think NO is kinda stuck so I am guessing if we offered it they deal would get done without picks.
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His dream could come true!

On a serious note, I do think Kessler is the anti tank commander. Elevating the defense is the lowest hang fruit for improvement and he’s better than most at doing so.

I think I might even say that Kessler > Ingram for winning regular season games with this roster.
 
KqWIN said:
His dream could come true!

On a serious note, I do think Kessler is the anti tank commander. Elevating the defense is the lowest hang fruit for improvement and he’s better than most at doing so.

I think I might even say that Kessler > Ingram for winning regular season games with this roster.
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I tried to make this case (that Kessler is the anti-tank) and a few people got really huffy.
 
Unless Keyonte or Sexton have taken big leaps as pick n roll PGs, I just don't see any big leap for Kessler. Both of them have shown to have negative chemistry with Walker. Both seem to require a more skilled big to be effective as facilitators.

I expect Walker to be more consistent with his mindset and not take as many 3s. Fingers crossed he learns to get to the FT line. His biggest improvement point will just be setting good screens despite 80% of the time he won't be personally rewarded for it.
 
If you don’t mention defense, I can see how you would overlook Kessler as an anti-tank commander. Defense is the lowest hanging fruit. Simply playing Kessler improves that greatly. It’s wayyy easier to win that defense/offense tradeoff when you’re dead last in defense.

As a counter point, Hardy is unlikely to utilize Kessler in an optimal way. The easiest way to win games would be to play Kessler lots of minutes and play a strict drop system. But Hardy has been very open about not caring about defense and I wouldn’t put it past him to continue to play in a way that does not maximize the current players.

In other Kessler discussions in the past, one of the reasons why I stated that trading Kessler could be a good idea is that if he was ever going to pop….it probably won’t be here because Hardy does not value the skillset Kessler has nor does he want to utilize it.

Still, if he turns in his rookie year level of performance and plays 30 mpg that will lead to a big improvement to our defense.
 
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