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Cousins demands a trade!

Hotttnickkk said:
Imagine him yelling that every time we lose this season. Can the Jazz org. stand that? Can we Jazz fan stand that?

No & No.
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Agreed! It's so easy to mix and match players like it's fantasy league. It's interesting that the Nuggets are a better team without Melo even with three players in China. There's so much more to the team than talent. We have an inexperienced head coach, who would have to babysit. It's not worth the headache unless it's a stepping stone to another trade or something that KOC can see. I would trade Bell though since Cousins could stay at home if he was a problem, but Bell will be starting for quite some time apparently.
 
PKM said:
At the risk of being called a homer even more .. Cousins and Kanter were the two most dominant rebounders I have seen, on the college level for a very long time. #1 and #1a.
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Cousins is 4th in RP48 and Kanter is 9th, so it seems accurate.
 
Some of the comments in this thread remind me of Jazzfanz comments on both Howard and Tinsley.

Those guys, BTW, are both on the team now, and don't have the potential bigtime payoff that Cousins has. Let alone if you consider dumping Al's contract at the same time.

This is the first deal I've seen where I think KOC would have to seriously consider giving up the GS pick to get it done.
 
freakazoid said:
Some of the comments in this thread remind me of Jazzfanz comments on both Howard and Tinsley.

Those guys, BTW, are both on the team now, and don't have the potential bigtime payoff that Cousins has. Let alone if you consider dumping Al's contract at the same time.

This is the first deal I've seen where I think KOC would have to seriously consider giving up the GS pick to get it done.
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Slight difference is Howard and Tinsley are 2 washed up vets on their last chance in getting back in the NBA - they better be on their best behavior or no GM will ever answer their calls again.

Only a slight difference tho.
 
freakazoid said:
Some of the comments in this thread remind me of Jazzfanz comments on both Howard and Tinsley.

Those guys, BTW, are both on the team now, and don't have the potential bigtime payoff that Cousins has. Let alone if you consider dumping Al's contract at the same time.

This is the first deal I've seen where I think KOC would have to seriously consider giving up the GS pick to get it done.
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I am not on board for that at all. I would throw in a future first round pick, but not the GS pick.
 
Here's my hypothetical:

Jefferson and Harris and a pick perhaps for Cousins and Jimmer
Miles and trade exception to get Hinrich
Cousins and Bell for somebody else
Then this summer you throw every single penny you have at Gregg Popovich.

You then have addition by subtraction (Jefferson, Bell, Miles) an upgrade, in my opinion, at PG (Hinrich and Jimmer over Harris) and whatever prospect Cousins gets you. Plus Popovich.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Slight difference is Howard and Tinsley are 2 washed up vets on their last chance in getting back in the NBA - they better be on their best behavior or no GM will ever answer their calls again.

Only a slight difference tho.
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Right. Never gamble on a player who might payoff big. Only gamble on washed up vets who will have minimal positive impact. Makes sense.
 
infection said:
Here's my hypothetical:

Jefferson and Harris and a pick perhaps for Cousins and Jimmer
Miles and trade exception to get Hinrich
Cousins and Bell for somebody else
The this summer you throw every single penny you have at Gregg Popovich.

You've then have addition by subtraction (Jefferson, Bell, Miles) an upgrade, in my opinion, at PG (Hinrich and Jimmer over Harris) and whatever prospect Cousins gets you. Plus Popovich.
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And fire Ty? How could you?

Signed,
Momma Corbin
 
freakazoid said:
Right. Never gamble on a player who might payoff big. Only gamble on washed up vets who will have minimal positive impact. Makes sense.
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I don't think gambling fits well with either the Jazz org. or the fan base.

Now the Kings.. may be..

BTW don't think 1 year contracts on washed up vets = gamble.
 
No Cousins. Dont need him negatively effecting our other young players. Have Kanter and Favors. If we get another young big I want one who can play away from the basket.
 
If we had a stable team I would be all for this. Too have so many young players on one team is a weird thing, and probably hasn't been done in the NBA for a long time. Cousins seems like a guy who desperately needs structure and stability to suceed. I would in no way be upset if we traded for him, but it could ugly fast if we get him. Then we have another two incoming lottery picks. Obviously some people would be packaged for at least 1 veteran all-star before the start of next year. I still feel like it would be doing too much stuff in too short of a time period for it all to work out the way we would want it too.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
I don't think gambling fits well with the Jazz org.
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Myth.

vslice02 said:
As far as players with previous character issues, we've brought those guys in before. Chris Morris wasn't a coaches dream with the Nets when Utah signed him (Chuck Daly who previously coached Morris even dissed him when speaking about the failed trade that would've sent Morris to Daly's Magic in '98). We brought David Benoit back in 2000 after he was already out of the league due to a drinking problem. We pursued and signed John Starks who wasn't an easy player to coach and had spent the previous 2 seasons pouting in Golden State. DeShawn Stevenson wasn't a choir boy at Washington Union. In 2003 we traded for Keon Clark and gave him a shot even though he was one of the biggest potheads in the league (and the Jazz had an even younger team in '03 than they do now) and a few years later we drafted Robert Whaley despite being charged with statutory rape in HS and battery in college.

The Jazz have rolled the dice on players with character issues in the past, and that can work as long as you don't have too many of them on the team (this all goes along with a leadership philosophy called the "Law of Threes").
The important thing in this is the message you send when somone screws up. The Jazz have shown that they'll give people opportunities, but they're not going to tolerate any BS.
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3 team trade with Boston sends Rondo here. It works on the machine as long as Boston also dumps a low salary player.

I would by far rather acquire Rondo.
 
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