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KqWIN said:
If you wanted to tank, I understood if under the "we're going to commit and do it right" kind of thinking. That's always what you and I have been talking about from my understanding, and it's reasonable. If we weren't going to retool around the stars and trade both, there needed to be an understanding that it's likely 3-4 years if things go well.

What's not reasonable is thinking this is a 1-2 year thing and we're right back. It doesn't really matter how many future picks we have. Unless we're cashing them in for trades, they aren't helping us win much in the next two years.
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That's fair. I think you hope like hell its a 2 year deal like the Grizz... but you have to be flexible and opportunistic. If something goes really right this year it can be a 2 year process imo... if something small... a hiccup if you will... goes wrong then it easily gets extended. I think the front office knows it.

And I think you do have to be opportunistic... can't be impatient with the rebuild but like with Boston they stole Isiah Thomas... I don't think that was the plan but the opportunity arose. If you try to force something to happen you end up doing something like what Chicago did in paying way too much for Vucevic.

I think we will have chances to be opportunistic. I don't think OKC and Houston are looking to swipe players with their excess picks.. so if the right opportunity comes along we should be able to do something.

I think the safer route is to bottom all the way out... but I'm okay with the approach getting younger players that have shown some potential... and if they are good you end up top7/8 and maybe you get lucky.
 
I think what people forget with MEM is that they didn't tank for Ja. They were in the 8th position. When they tanked, they still had Marc and Conley on their roster. If you have a playoff team and happen to tank because of injuries or whatever reason.....that's more reasonable. But the Jazz aren't tanking with a team that was already built for the playoffs like MEM or TOR more recently.

Even without Mike and Marc, some crazy things had to happen for MEM to get back so quickly. Winning the lottery, having Ja be there instead of an average #2, hitting on so many later draft picks and moves on the margin. A lot of luck and incredible work from that FO created what they are.
 
KqWIN said:
I think what people forget with MEM is that they didn't tank for Ja. They were in the 8th position. When they tanked, they still had Marc and Conley on their roster. If you have a playoff team and happen to tank because of injuries or whatever reason.....that's more reasonable. But the Jazz aren't tanking with a team that was already built for the playoffs like MEM or TOR more recently.

Even without Mike and Marc, some crazy things had to happen for MEM to get back so quickly. Winning the lottery, having Ja be there instead of an average #2, hitting on so many later draft picks and moves on the margin. A lot of luck and incredible work from that FO created what they are.
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Yup... you have to get lucky. I think its a 2 year process from when you get your building block(s) to when you will return to the playoff picture... I'm okay with people being optimistic and saying we hope its a 2-3 year process. That is plan A... it won't take much to move us to plan B which is a longer timeline. I think we have given ourselves an opportunity to get lucky.

Even Memphis with all their luck I think missed an opportunity this summer to do something bigger. I think they may end up falling back to the 6/7 range this year.
 
I think Ainge is hoping to duplicate his last Boston rebuild. They ended up in the dumps for one year then back in the playoffs because of IT, Crowder, Smart... then they added Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Horford, Kyrie... with cap space and draft capital the next few years.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Houston is out a couple picks because of the CP trade though. They didn't have as much to sell off.

I agree with your overall point though. Those picks don't help now unless the 2023 pick hits in a huge way (minor miracle) or you decide to cash in some picks in 2 years for a star.

We are likely looking at 2-3 years as the best case scenario... more likely 3-4 years.

Unless Lauri goes back to the 20/10 guy he was for a minute as a second year player and Sexton goes to an efficient 25/5 guy and Ochai/Kessler hit in a huge way.

I do think we have way more potential than Houston to turn it around quickly... OKC had SGA and a **** ton of picks doe... so starting from a similar point. If Chet wasn't out all year and the didn't actively do the BS they do to tank I think they could have been a play in team but will now Tank this **** as they have an excuse.
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There is no way that SGA doesn't demand a trade at some point and he is one of the cases where he would be right to do so.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Memphis would have been a play-in team (9th seed) in Year 3. They tanked two years and drafted JJJ and Ja, respectively.
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They didn’t tank for Ja. They started that year out with Conley and Gasol on the roster. It’s not a remotely similar situation. They got extremely lucky, but it wasn’t a tear down to begin with. Tanking with a roster built to make the playoffs is not the same as a complete tear down.

Even if you want to say they’re similar (they aren’t) it is extremely lucky to get the #2 pick from the 8th lottery position, have the #2 prospect be Ja Morant, and also nail several other moves.

If it takes extremely unlikely circumstances to produce something, especially ones that you have no control over, it’s not something to count on.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Locke basically said Donovan lost trust in the team and that's why his clutch numbers were so bad this year. Basically tried to do it all himself. He's the only player he linked to that comment with an example.

**** Donovan for real. Then you could tell in the elimination Game 6 vs Dallas he pulled a "oh you want to do it without me" kind of thing and went totally passive in the final minutes (though it probably helped us overall, Bogey just missed the shot). Still was a lame *** move on his part.
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I think Clarkson's was frequently guilty of trying to do it all himself and not trusting his teammates last season as well.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think Ainge is hoping to duplicate his last Boston rebuild. They ended up in the dumps for one year then back in the playoffs because of IT, Crowder, Smart... then they added Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Horford, Kyrie... with cap space and draft capital the next few years.
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That does seem to be what he is thinking. Seems to me that his Boston experience was the exception and not the rule. Can he get lucky twice in a row?
 
gomretat said:
That does seem to be what he is thinking. Seems to me that his Boston experience was the exception and not the rule. Can he get lucky twice in a row?
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I think all the short rebuilds would be exceptions... Again... I think its plan A and if you don't get lucky you extend the rebuild. Its okay to be optimistic. Just don't shortcut the process if it isn't going exactly to plan.
 
Jingled said:
I think Clarkson's was frequently guilty of trying to do it all himself and not trusting his teammates last season as well.
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I think a lot of this not trusting team mates thing stemmed from the coach. Quin was either clueless how to get the team to play together, or he fostered it and and encouraged this hero-ball mentality. I am glad he is gone too.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He mentioned... THT being a dynamic something or other... I just don't get it but I guess I will trust them that there is something worthwhile there.
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It was odd he was one of the only players he singled out. I guess the front office sees something in him the rest of us don't.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I think a lot of this not trusting team mates thing stemmed from the coach. Quin was either clueless how to get the team to play together, or he fostered it and and encouraged this hero-ball mentality. I am glad he is gone too.
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I definitely think Quin was guilty of giving certain players too long of a leash at times, and too much of a green light on offense.
 
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LogGrad98 said:
I think a lot of this not trusting team mates thing stemmed from the coach. Quin was either clueless how to get the team to play together, or he fostered it and and encouraged this hero-ball mentality. I am glad he is gone too.
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Quin was part of the team and shares in the blame/problem but I wouldn't place as much blame as you are. Coaches have different strengths and weaknesses and crazy part is Quin has multiple degrees at Duke, double major in philosophy and political science, and, later received a J.D. degree from Duke Law School in 1995 and an M.B.A. degree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quin_Snyder

So maybe his style no longer fit or meshed with what the team had grown into and he even eluded to a big in his exit press conference that he felt the team had the talent but needed a different voice.

To me it was no one thing but a collection of different things that just all added up.
 
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