I'm getting bored so I'll stop after this. The chart illustrates data that helps us to test the reasonableness of the hypothesis. There is no data point on the chart that says "Dante Exum, 2015" so you cannot glean particular data from an average, so on this point you are merely stating the obvious. It is possible for a 19 year old to grow 1" in a year, I made that point earlier. Is is "plenty possible"? I'm not sure how much "plenty" is but gosh, I hope so I'd love to have a more freakishly long/tall PG. The data informs us that this is unlikely, not that it is impossible. Have a great day.
Dante Exum is back and bigger. Already.
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I'm getting bored so I'll stop after this. The chart illustrates data that helps us to test the reasonableness of the hypothesis. There is no data point on the chart that says "Dante Exum, 2015" so you cannot glean particular data from an average, so on this point you are merely stating the obvious. It is possible for a 19 year old to grow 1" in a year, I made that point earlier. Is is "plenty possible"? I'm not sure how much "plenty" is but gosh, I hope so I'd love to have a more freakishly long/tall PG. The data informs us that this is unlikely, not that it is impossible. Have a great day.
Quit talking down to me. I know exactly what the 95 % means and have read plenty of books. Statistics are crap when looking at this case and mean as little or even less than someone saying "he looks taller". I don't know or even care that much if Exum actually grew as he is already plenty tall for a pg. Quit pointing to a stupid growth chart. Its as useful as using BMI to tell a weightlifter that he's fat.
To be fair to you, I think we probably are mostly in agreement about Dante and whether or not he grew. I don't know if Dante grew or not. I'll wait until we get an official measurement. All your chart shows to me is that if Dante did grow 1 inch after 19, then that would be outside the norm, and I don't think anybody really needed the chart to know that. The way you presented it, it was like you were saying that its proof that he didn't, and I disagreed with that.
orangello
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This paragraph was telling:
"I've learned that people will talk," Exum said. "It's always going to be something. I tried hard not to force things last year. I didn't want to be that guy who was forcing shots. Last year, I wanted to find my feet."
Most of us thought this might be the case.
"I've learned that people will talk," Exum said. "It's always going to be something. I tried hard not to force things last year. I didn't want to be that guy who was forcing shots. Last year, I wanted to find my feet."
Most of us thought this might be the case.
Red
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No. The preceding paragraph stated:
"Exum says he's turned off the outside noise. For him, the only things that matter are the opinions of the coaching staff, his teammates and family."
That outside noise is the fans and media pundents I believe. It's here, on this forum, where he could find fans critiquing his offensive game. So, that's a dig at the fans and pundents, but not really. I mean he's not telling the fans to go pound salt, but I think he's reflecting on us, not Trey......
Red
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Yes, I understand exactly what sentence you were referring to. What I'm saying is that he was reflecting on critiques he got from fans and pundents. The fans here, for instance, often dwelt on his lack of progress offensively. And so I think he's just talking about what his philosophy/approach to his offensive game was last season. I don't think, for instance, that at that point in the quote he was actually thinking "Trey is a chucker, I didn't want to be like him". I assumed, always risky I'll grant you, that that entire quote was just him stating some of what his approach was, and a reflection on critiques that originated with the fan base and perhaps the pundents. Not sure of the latter, because I got on the wagon late, and didn't read many pundents.
But, yes, I understood which quote you were referring to....
Red
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I guess I could say I would not really expect him to take a shot at any other teammate. The fans here did criticize his unwillingness to shoot more, after all, and since just before the quote, he stated that he did not listen to "outside noise", I just assumed the statement that he did not want to be "the guy forcing shots" was more a reply to we fans, and less likely to be an under the counter shot at one of his teammates. We criticized him right here on this forum for not shooting more, did we not? Anyway, different assumptions, neither can be proved. Only opinions....
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for what it's worth i saw a lot of Dante's old man when he played in the Australian league years ago, he's a good 6-8 and looked reasonably thick. I think Dante's going to end up being a good 6-7 and noticably thicker than he is now. ie a beast at his position
Cappy_Smurf
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Well, we all know that Trey IS that guy, so I think it stands to reason that Dante could be referring to Trey, instead of just chuckers in general.
https://www.si.com/nba/point-forward/2014/01/02/giannis-antetokounmpo-milwaukee-bucks-growth-spurt
BUT BUT BUT.. He can only grow a max of 1/10 of an inch. Maybe it's his afro!!!
BUT BUT BUT.. He can only grow a max of 1/10 of an inch. Maybe it's his afro!!!
Cappy_Smurf
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He probably just ate a lot, which added 1/2 inch fat to the bottom of his feet and top of his head. Pretty sure I saw some charts that prove it.
green
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Listened to an interview with Dennis Lindsay yesterday. He mentioned that he wasn't sure Dante was any taller, but he is noticeably thicker. He mentioned that Exum's dad was a very strong/big player and if Exum has his dad's girth he could fill out a lot over the next couple of years.
Physically, Exum is already a special player. The only question is can he put it together mentally and get back to attacking. If he can, we have a superstar on this team. Easily our best player.
Physically, Exum is already a special player. The only question is can he put it together mentally and get back to attacking. If he can, we have a superstar on this team. Easily our best player.
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I grew nearly 2 inches on my mission. And I got taller too.
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Gobert would certainly have something to say about that. . . but it would be nice to debate which of our young, stud superstars is better.
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I predict a ranking of best (most valuable) jazz players next year like this
Gobert
Hayward
Favors
Burks (would not be surprised at all if he is higher on this list by the end of the year..... I would be shocked if he is any lower though)
Hood
Booker
Jingles
Dante
Draft pick
Trey
Gobert
Hayward
Favors
Burks (would not be surprised at all if he is higher on this list by the end of the year..... I would be shocked if he is any lower though)
Hood
Booker
Jingles
Dante
Draft pick
Trey
I think it takes a pretty crazy leap for anyone to bump Gobert, Favors, or Hayward from the top 3. I like the list, though. My one optimistic change would be to move Dante up over Ingles and (hopefully) Booker.
Greasy84
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Sorry to beat a dead horse, but this thread got me thinking. What are some of the other lies about Dante? It seems like the media is just spoon feeding us propaganda. I thought I'd explore this using the new scientific method of averages. The results are startling.
Not only did Dante NOT grow an inch this last year, he's only 5'8.75" according to the average height for Australian males. https://www.averageheight.co/average-male-height-by-country No wonder he struggles to finish at the rim!
The average Australian male is 37.5 years old. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2177.html
So, where does Dante get off telling us he's only 19!!!?? He's clearly older! And the Jazz should give careful consideration to the possibility that he's already peaked as a basketball player.
That's all I have time for right now, but I'm looking at some new data using mode (instead of median or mean) that calls into question everything we think we know about the kid. Just to give you a little teaser, Dante might not even be Australian OR male.
Not only did Dante NOT grow an inch this last year, he's only 5'8.75" according to the average height for Australian males. https://www.averageheight.co/average-male-height-by-country No wonder he struggles to finish at the rim!
The average Australian male is 37.5 years old. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2177.html
So, where does Dante get off telling us he's only 19!!!?? He's clearly older! And the Jazz should give careful consideration to the possibility that he's already peaked as a basketball player.
That's all I have time for right now, but I'm looking at some new data using mode (instead of median or mean) that calls into question everything we think we know about the kid. Just to give you a little teaser, Dante might not even be Australian OR male.
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Ya I'm sure I'm too hard on Dante. Last year I thought he was like a poor mans rubio.
Next year I hope he can be a middle class rubio.
I just don't value perimeter players that are only effective on the defensive end. I have never been a big fan of Tony Allen, matt barnes, elijah millsap types. Im fine with bigs who are only effective on defense (Ben Wallace, eaton, deandre, gobert, etc) but I think perimeter players need to be better offensively before I value them much